Hi,
I uploaded etoys.image (#1104), Welcome.023.pr and DemonCastle1.009.pr to git repository http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=projects/etoys and;
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin-1104.zip (including .pr files) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.009.pr
DemonCastle1.009.pr is enabled the book reverting framework by Scott and Ted. I realized this is very useful both readers and authors. Actually reverting is so cute!
Unfortunately, reverting mechanism didn't work the Welcome project well. I guess that's why it had a reference from the World to a page inside the book.
# My log message in git shows strange time stamp, I'm sorry, maybe # that's because my VMWare was set stupid time.
Cheers, - Takashi
I just tried this, but the event playback in the Welcome project is broken.
Sometimes the click on the paint button does nothing. Sometimes it does, but then it misses the color picker. Actually, it looks to me as if the button up/down events have the wrong timing.
Since this is a regression I will hold off on building new packages. Anybody else seeing this? Can it be fixed until 5 pm Eastern Time?
- Bert -
Am 25.10.2006 um 19:55 schrieb Takashi Yamamiya:
Hi,
I uploaded etoys.image (#1104), Welcome.023.pr and DemonCastle1.009.pr to git repository http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=projects/etoys and;
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin-1104.zip (including .pr files) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.009.pr
DemonCastle1.009.pr is enabled the book reverting framework by Scott and Ted. I realized this is very useful both readers and authors. Actually reverting is so cute!
Unfortunately, reverting mechanism didn't work the Welcome project well. I guess that's why it had a reference from the World to a page inside the book.
# My log message in git shows strange time stamp, I'm sorry, maybe # that's because my VMWare was set stupid time.
Cheers,
- Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Bert,
I just tried this, but the event playback in the Welcome project is broken.
Sometimes the click on the paint button does nothing. Sometimes it does, but then it misses the color picker. Actually, it looks to me as if the button up/down events have the wrong timing.
Since this is a regression I will hold off on building new packages. Anybody else seeing this? Can it be fixed until 5 pm Eastern Time?
The 'tapes' in the latest and Welcome project from Oct 20th are identical. Without having the board in handy, I can't tell where the problem comes from...
-- Yoshiki
Am 25.10.2006 um 21:08 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima:
Bert,
I just tried this, but the event playback in the Welcome project is broken.
Sometimes the click on the paint button does nothing. Sometimes it does, but then it misses the color picker. Actually, it looks to me as if the button up/down events have the wrong timing.
Since this is a regression I will hold off on building new packages. Anybody else seeing this? Can it be fixed until 5 pm Eastern Time?
The 'tapes' in the latest and Welcome project from Oct 20th are identical. Without having the board in handy, I can't tell where the problem comes from...
This was actually in Sugar on a regular PC ... I can try on the board though.
- Bert -
The screen sizes of the PC and board are probably different, and this was possibly the cause ...
Scott's new stuff will take care of this for the next build ...
Cheers,
Alan
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At 12:29 PM 10/25/2006, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Am 25.10.2006 um 21:08 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima:
Bert,
I just tried this, but the event playback in the Welcome project is broken.
Sometimes the click on the paint button does nothing. Sometimes it does, but then it misses the color picker. Actually, it looks to me as if the button up/down events have the wrong timing.
Since this is a regression I will hold off on building new packages. Anybody else seeing this? Can it be fixed until 5 pm Eastern Time?
The 'tapes' in the latest and Welcome project from Oct 20th are identical. Without having the board in handy, I can't tell where the problem comes from...
This was actually in Sugar on a regular PC ... I can try on the board though.
- Bert -
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
I think it has to do with hick-ups - the event playback is sensitive to other activity on the machine, it seems it looses events in that case. After rebooting it worked fine.
Building RPMs now, sorry for the false alarm ...
- Bert -
Am 25.10.2006 um 22:14 schrieb Alan Kay:
The screen sizes of the PC and board are probably different, and this was possibly the cause ...
Scott's new stuff will take care of this for the next build ...
Cheers,
Alan
At 12:29 PM 10/25/2006, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Am 25.10.2006 um 21:08 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima:
Bert,
I just tried this, but the event playback in the Welcome project is broken.
Sometimes the click on the paint button does nothing. Sometimes it does, but then it misses the color picker. Actually, it looks to me as if the button up/down events have the wrong timing.
Since this is a regression I will hold off on building new packages. Anybody else seeing this? Can it be fixed until 5 pm Eastern Time?
The 'tapes' in the latest and Welcome project from Oct 20th are identical. Without having the board in handy, I can't tell where the problem comes from...
This was actually in Sugar on a regular PC ... I can try on the board though.
- Bert -
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Bert,
I think it has to do with hick-ups - the event playback is sensitive to other activity on the machine, it seems it looses events in that case. After rebooting it worked fine.
Building RPMs now, sorry for the false alarm ...
Phew! But, it can happen in the real environment, so it is not very false at the same time. Bad timing, but good reminder of it...
-- Yoshiki
Am 25.10.2006 um 22:35 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima:
Bert,
I think it has to do with hick-ups - the event playback is sensitive to other activity on the machine, it seems it looses events in that case. After rebooting it worked fine.
Building RPMs now, sorry for the false alarm ...
Phew! But, it can happen in the real environment, so it is not very false at the same time. Bad timing, but good reminder of it...
New packages are up, right in time for the OS build :)
- Bert -
Hi Folks --
This is a good point. When I looked at the replay of events method, I was surprised to find that it is keyed to real-time even though many of the interesting effects take their own time. This made some of the stuff I'd recorded on a PC get missed on the OLPC board. This approach doesn't seem good to me (or even right). This is like the old bad idea of using one-shots in HW, or playing brinksmanship with fixed clocking schemes.
Any better ideas? It's definitely tricky, but one thing could be to make a pseudoclock whose timebase is keyed to some effect (like rotating some shape). OTOH, the more comprehensive thing would be to have an eventrecorder that deals with objects and events more the way Croquet does.
Since we are going to want to have a more ScorePlayer based editing system for these tutorials for the next build (i.e. we need to be able to capture event sequences and edit them, lay in voice-overs, music, buttones, etc.), maybe we can just revamp this whole area. It's been long overdue (and now we really need to use all this stuff).
Cheers,
Alan
At 01:35 PM 10/25/2006, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
Bert,
I think it has to do with hick-ups - the event playback is sensitive to other activity on the machine, it seems it looses events in that case. After rebooting it worked fine.
Building RPMs now, sorry for the false alarm ...
Phew! But, it can happen in the real environment, so it is not very false at the same time. Bad timing, but good reminder of it...
-- Yoshiki _______________________________________________ Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
The 'tapes' in the latest and Welcome project from Oct 20th are identical. Without having the board in handy, I can't tell where the problem comes from...
And, it is been fine on my computer. You are testing the 023 version at: http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/Welcome.023.pr, right?
This could be a different problem, but I now wonder if we're seeing the same file. At least, Welcome.pr in the git repository is somewhat older version. (As you are aware of.)
In any case, the tapes are identical there, too.
Unless the project is actually worse than that of 27 hours ago in, bundling this version (023) is not as a bad idea as it sounds. (And we don't want to wake Takashi up, right?)
-- Yoshiki
Am 25.10.2006 um 22:09 schrieb Yoshiki Ohshima:
The 'tapes' in the latest and Welcome project from Oct 20th are identical. Without having the board in handy, I can't tell where the problem comes from...
And, it is been fine on my computer. You are testing the 023 version at: http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/Welcome.023.pr, right?
This could be a different problem, but I now wonder if we're seeing the same file. At least, Welcome.pr in the git repository is somewhat older version. (As you are aware of.)
In any case, the tapes are identical there, too.
Unless the project is actually worse than that of 27 hours ago in, bundling this version (023) is not as a bad idea as it sounds. (And we don't want to wake Takashi up, right?)
I'm beginning to suspect it is something on my PC. It seems to work on the board. So I will just build the packages, okay?
- Bert -
Bert,
Unless the project is actually worse than that of 27 hours ago in, bundling this version (023) is not as a bad idea as it sounds. (And we don't want to wake Takashi up, right?)
I'm beginning to suspect it is something on my PC. It seems to work on the board. So I will just build the packages, okay?
Yes. It definitely should not make a worse package than the last one!
Thanks.
-- Yoshiki
This is probably not relevant, but I do have a DNU when running the latest welcome project from
This is all on regular linux. I just did:
- download OLPC-Squeak-latest.zip from the URL - unziped and have OLPC-squeak-1098.image - downloaded Welcome.023.pr - started the image, and updated (5 updates i think) - Load Project Welcome.023.pr from file - As it opened, it ran a painter and after a while, I had DNU #releaseKeyboardFocus (attached) Perhaps the update stream is missing something or I am missing something (more likely)
Just wanted to mention it in case it's indication of a problem,
Milan
On 2006 October 25 14:46, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
I just tried this, but the event playback in the Welcome project is broken.
Sometimes the click on the paint button does nothing. Sometimes it does, but then it misses the color picker. Actually, it looks to me as if the button up/down events have the wrong timing.
Since this is a regression I will hold off on building new packages. Anybody else seeing this? Can it be fixed until 5 pm Eastern Time?
- Bert -
Am 25.10.2006 um 19:55 schrieb Takashi Yamamiya:
Hi,
I uploaded etoys.image (#1104), Welcome.023.pr and DemonCastle1.009.pr to git repository http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=projects/etoys and;
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin-1104.zip (including .pr files) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.009.pr
DemonCastle1.009.pr is enabled the book reverting framework by Scott and Ted. I realized this is very useful both readers and authors. Actually reverting is so cute!
Unfortunately, reverting mechanism didn't work the Welcome project well. I guess that's why it had a reference from the World to a page inside the book.
# My log message in git shows strange time stamp, I'm sorry, maybe # that's because my VMWare was set stupid time.
Cheers,
- Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
I just tested this and it all seemed to work fine for me (with revert, etc.) cheers, Kim
At 2:55 AM +0900 10/26/06, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi,
I uploaded etoys.image (#1104), Welcome.023.pr and DemonCastle1.009.pr to git repository http://dev.laptop.org/git.do?p=projects/etoys and;
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin-1104.zip (including .pr files) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.009.pr
DemonCastle1.009.pr is enabled the book reverting framework by Scott and Ted. I realized this is very useful both readers and authors. Actually reverting is so cute!
Unfortunately, reverting mechanism didn't work the Welcome project well. I guess that's why it had a reference from the World to a page inside the book.
# My log message in git shows strange time stamp, I'm sorry, maybe # that's because my VMWare was set stupid time.
Cheers,
- Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
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