Hi yourself, Yoshiki,
I loved what you said, but I take issue with one point.
Dick
On 2007, Jan 18 at 15:00 (-8), Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@squeakland.org wrote:
... I was going to write how you would do step by step, but I guess it is not what you would like, but just check the "Demon Castle" tutorial which is currently bundled with the Etoys on the laptop. Demon Castle uses BookMorph (or Book), which is surely accessible to any user. (And it has reasonably high production value.)
Begging your pardon, kind sir, but a step by step procedure would be very welcome. My hope would be that if someone provides a sufficient tutorial for using Book and BookMorph to create a narrated slide show, then someone (else?) can put that tutorial into that very mechanism so that others may use it as an example and a tutorial.
The nature of open source permits participants to contribute usefully with quite minimal commitments of time and effort. Wikis enhance this property and can grow wonderful results using volunteer labor. Once an example tutorial is available, its sources could be installed in a wiki for extended discussion and possibly to build whole families of derivative facilities.
Isn't this a useful foundation for participating language groups to "morph" into material which would be useful to the student speakers of each language. Wouldn't such a facility be extraordinarily useful in the initial months of the introduction of the XO machine in the various communities involved? Easy to build. Easy to pass around. Easy to watch, listen to, learn from and replicate to other ends.
In other words, I would love it if you suggested as much of a step by step tutorial as you have the energy and time to accomplish. Then someone can put it in a wiki so that those who try to follow the tutorial and create their own Book can flesh out the wiki and then, ultimately, the tutorial itself to reach wider audiences and assist more teachers and students toward their own goals.
If you do decide to do this, it would be useful, I think, to collect a continuing history of who tries to employ it and what happens when they do. This is such a generic facility that I believe that the lessons learned and experience gained would be of value to the OLPC project as a whole.
Am I talking through my hat? Is a better approach already in progress?
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Hi, Richard,
... I was going to write how you would do step by step, but I guess it is not what you would like, but just check the "Demon Castle" tutorial which is currently bundled with the Etoys on the laptop. Demon Castle uses BookMorph (or Book), which is surely accessible to any user. (And it has reasonably high production value.)
Begging your pardon, kind sir, but a step by step procedure would be very welcome. My hope would be that if someone provides a sufficient tutorial for using Book and BookMorph to create a narrated slide show, then someone (else?) can put that tutorial into that very mechanism so that others may use it as an example and a tutorial.
Sure. I just couldn't tell that was what you wanted in the first response.
* Press the golden "Navigation" tab near bottom left to open it.
* In the Navigation bar, click on the "New" button to create a new project." Press the thumbnail created. You'll dive into a new clean project.
* In the new project, click on the red "Supplies" tab near bottom right to open it.
* Drag out "Book" icon from the opened "Supplies bin" to "world" or the desktop area.
* Move and resize the opened Book with the yellow handle to cover most of the screen. (Later, you can make the book "full screen", but at first, it would not be convenient.)
* Press the golden "Navigation" tab near bottom left to open it. Hold "Find" button for a second to get a menu. From the menu, choose "find any file". You get a kind of a file browser.
* Navigate to a photo file you would like to import, select it, and press "Open" in the file browser. You can import the photo in the Etoys environment. (BTW, this way of importing *will* change eventually. Right now, Sugar doesn't have copy and paste of graphics between applications.)
* You drop the photo onto a "page" of Book. To add a page to the Book, press the triangle button in the Book's title bar and get more buttons. "+" button creates a new page.
* Repeat the above to get as many photos/graphics as you want.
* Now, time to add some sound track. First, probably you would like to kill the default page turn sound effect. From the Book's extended menu, which is displayed only when more buttons are shown in the title bar, choose "visual and sound effects...", and "set sound effect for all pages". Then, choose "silence".
* From Supplies bin, drag-out "Sound" onto world.
* Connect a (physical) microphone, press Record, and speak whatever you like that covers a page. When you are done, press "Stop". To listen to the recorded sound, press "Play".
* If you are happy with the sound, press the "Tile" button. You type the name of sound (something like "SoundForPage1", or something that describe what it is.) Leave the created sound on the world for now.
* Get the Viewer for a page of the Book. To do this, you probably need to right click twice (or more) on the large part of the Book. If the name shown turns to "page", click on the light blue eye icon on the left edge.
* The first very item in the Viewer is the "make sound" command. If you drag-out it to the world, you get a "scriptor" with the command. Click on the name of the sound, and choose the new sound you created in the two steps above. To test the scriptor, click on the yellow exclamation mark button in the scriptor to execute the script.
* If it is good, hold the mouse button on the button that reads "normal". Choose "opening" from the manu.
* Cycle through pages now. If you get to the page, the sound is played automatically.
* You repeat the recording and adding script to each pages, and you are almost done.
* Some beautification can be done. Make the page size of all pages are the same, hide most of the buttons in the title bar of the Book.
* Finally, you publish your project with the book by Pressing the "Publish" button in the Navigator bar. You supply the name of project, and press "OK". Choose where (in which directory in the file system) you would like to save the file, and press "Save".
* You are done. Quit Etoys, re-launch it, and press "Find" button (momentarily) in the Navigation bar. You should see the project where you saved it.
-- Yoshiki
Hello yourself, Yoshiki,
Thanks so much. We are on our way!
Could I have found this info in some other way?
Wouldn't my life and yours be better if I could?
Where should this tutorial information be gathered and how should it be found?
New question
Can I get a screen shot at each stage of the process you laid out so nicely?
How would I go about discovering that fact?
Is there a wiki where I should search or ask for advice like this?
Maybe I should be asking for "Etoys for Dummies".
What is the path of least effort or of least barriers interfering with doing something with Etoys so one could feel some personal success with it? First success is a major step and we probably share the intention to make that step as safe, reliable, and effortless as possible. Are there formal or informal studies about this issue for teachers or students?
Won't Squeakland be completely overwhelmed if one half of one percent of the people with XO machines this rime next year just say hi, let alone ask a question? When the task is to consume an entire elephant, the very best solution is to train the elephant to consume herself. This leads me again to the Wiki.Etoys.org or something like that, doesn't it?
Dick
On 2007, Jan 21, , at 13:57, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
Sure. I just couldn't tell that was what you wanted in the first response.
Hi Richard,
Richard Karpinski escribió:
Hello yourself, Yoshiki,
Thanks so much. We are on our way!
Could I have found this info in some other way?
I don't know. But as far as I can tell a nice thing about the Squeak community is the friendly way they welcome and answer the newbies like me (well there are still some unanswered questions to me in the Squeak Beginners and Squeak-land mailing list). The basic steps of the use of Book morph are already documented in many places but documentation becomes outdated quickly and putting it on date requires the learning of syntax of some wiki not so spreaded (moin or mediawiki syntaxes are more spreaded that Smallwiki for example).
Wouldn't my life and yours be better if I could?
Where should this tutorial information be gathered and how should it be found?
New question
Can I get a screen shot at each stage of the process you laid out so nicely?
May be you can replicate it from the words and take screenshots. Then copy the Yoshiki explanation and upload your screenshots to help in the documentation process of Etoys in some wiki.
There are plenty of Wikis out there and ideally one would congregate all the people around the same subject, but there are a lot of small and big differences between them (mediawiki is nice for a Wikipedia and very popular for this, even used by OLPC project, but when you try in other contexts it lacks of flexibility, good other choices are Moin, TWiki, Prowiki). You can choose the wiki you like more and point your documentation from the main Wiki. May with the time we can think in something like a Planet for blogers but instead of having particular Blogers Post it will be a Planet for Wikis related with Etoys and Squeak. Some people call the extended concept a Wiki Ohana (do you remember Lilo & Stich?: Ohana means family)
Is there a wiki where I should search or ask for advice like this?
You can get a lot of links on Squeak on this Spanish language wiki:
http://www.el-directorio.org/Squeak
You can ask for advice in list like this and after having your answer you can help to spread to the outsider using a Wiki as a documentation and more public channel.
Maybe I should be asking for "Etoys for Dummies".
[...]
Lets do it together. At this moment I'm working with Etoys with my students and trying to build a Colombian Community of Squeakers (the unanswered questions on the other list are about projects for that). Building local communities its one of our biggest challenges.
Won't Squeakland be completely overwhelmed if one half of one percent of the people with XO machines this rime next year just say hi, let alone ask a question? When the task is to consume an entire elephant, the very best solution is to train the elephant to consume herself. This leads me again to the Wiki.Etoys.org or something like that, doesn't it?
May be if we build strong local communities in the process Squeakland has not to get all the weight of answering to the people. In that process we need to act as bridges between students and the specialized community. Creating "external" wiki documentation from the answers of the list and the class experiences could be a good starting point.
Cheers,
Offray
On Sunday 21 January 2007 21:49, Richard Karpinski wrote: RK> Hello yourself, Yoshiki, RK> ...snip... RK> RK> New question RK> RK> Can I get a screen shot at each stage of the process you laid out so RK> nicely?
Just did a Q&D wikification of the email in
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/BookMorph_Tutorial
images aren't great (just re-used some that were already in the wiki, so some things could be off... somebody please check ;)
RK> RK> How would I go about discovering that fact? RK> RK> Is there a wiki where I should search or ask for advice like RK> this? RK> RK> Maybe I should be asking for "Etoys for Dummies".
There sure are... I think I put something about Squeak tutorials on the wiki...
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Installing_Squeak
BTW, don't trust my Squeak/Morph... it's a bit rusty ;)
Cheers, Xavier
Thank you, Xavier!
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/BookMorph_Tutorial
images aren't great (just re-used some that were already in the wiki, so some things could be off... somebody please check ;)
This is a good start.
Perhaps separated pages for explaining each of buttons and handles for nav-bar and halo, and a sequence of pictures that shows where really to click on?
And, since I haven't uploaded up an image with all latest updates, the images are from a little bit older version. I'll upload "the final for initial B2 build" image sometime soon.
http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Installing_Squeak
BTW, don't trust my Squeak/Morph... it's a bit rusty ;)
Thank you. But, I have to say I wasn't aware the comment by "Mokurai" on the page... I have been checking the "recent changes" page of the site, but sometimes it is all "flooded" by small changes like category change (happened to be by Xavi). It is not blame on you, of course. but rather I should be checking pages more smarter ways (whatever they are).
For using Etoys,
should have reasonably usable documents and examples, but somehow I cannot reach to the site from here...
-- Yoshiki
On Monday 22 January 2007 09:47, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: YO> Thank you, Xavier! YO> YO> > http://wiki.laptop.org/go/BookMorph_Tutorial YO> > YO> > images aren't great (just re-used some that were already in YO> > the wiki, so some things could be off... somebody please YO> > check ;) YO> YO> This is a good start. YO> YO> Perhaps separated pages for explaining each of buttons and YO> handles for nav-bar and halo, and a sequence of pictures YO> that shows where really to click on?
There's already some pages covering some of those things. Try the [[Category:Etoys]] to find some of that.
...snip... YO>I have been checking the "recent YO> changes" page of the site, but sometimes it is all "flooded" YO> by small changes like category change (happened to be by YO> Xavi). It is not blame on you, of course. but rather I YO> should be checking pages more smarter ways (whatever they YO> are).
Yes, I confess guilty as charged... I'm User:Xavi... I'm sorry about the flood of edits...
Try 'Hide minor edits'
You're probably using it already, but since it's quite easy to forget that checkbox while editing (I know I've forgotten :) others may too... and you can see 'real' changes :)
I'm exploring the possibility of tagging mysel as a bot... so normal edits can be separated from my 'bulk bot-like editions' using the 'Hide bots'...
Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto, Thank you very mucho, Mr. Roboto --Styx :)
Cheers, Xavier
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