On 2013-05-22, at 00:52, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." jecel@merlintec.com wrote:
Kathleen,
It is beginning to seem more urgent that Etoys adapt to these new rather closed box machines.
Etoys has been adapted, but isn't allowed by Apple to be distributed to its users.
That's not exactly true: we did not even try to submit the iPad version to Apple. One reason is indeed that Apple might object to the built-in project sharing, but the more severe reason is that the current Etoys UI does not work well on a touch-only device. Nobody has seriously tried to do anything about that, yet.
(It is true that Apple rejected the "Scratch Viewer", see http://mobilewikiserver.com/Scratch.html )
- Bert -
So, is Hopscotch on the iPad a scion of Scratch? I played with it, is is very simple and limited but it is for very young kids. Still, it reminded me of how grateful I am that Etoys did not include cartoonish characters. Kodable is cast as a game, with music, but I can't picture many kids doing it for very long. Kathleen
________________________________________ From: etoys-dev-bounces@squeakland.org [etoys-dev-bounces@squeakland.org] on behalf of Bert Freudenberg [bert@freudenbergs.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:15 AM To: etoys-dev@squeakland.org dev Subject: Re: [etoys-dev] FW: CS4K8 Etoys Workshop
On 2013-05-22, at 00:52, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." jecel@merlintec.com wrote:
Kathleen,
It is beginning to seem more urgent that Etoys adapt to these new rather closed box machines.
Etoys has been adapted, but isn't allowed by Apple to be distributed to its users.
That's not exactly true: we did not even try to submit the iPad version to Apple. One reason is indeed that Apple might object to the built-in project sharing, but the more severe reason is that the current Etoys UI does not work well on a touch-only device. Nobody has seriously tried to do anything about that, yet.
(It is true that Apple rejected the "Scratch Viewer", see http://mobilewikiserver.com/Scratch.html )
- Bert -
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On 2013-05-22, at 14:46, "Harness, Kathleen" kharness@illinois.edu wrote:
So, is Hopscotch on the iPad a scion of Scratch?
It's "inspired" by Scratch, completely independently done by Jocelyn Leavitt and Samantha John, but they did talk to John in the beta phase: http://blog.gethopscotch.com/post/46882959883/papa-scratch
I played with it, is is very simple and limited but it is for very young kids.
They do plan to make it more powerful. For a first version, I thought it was a good idea to start with the essentials.
Still, it reminded me of how grateful I am that Etoys did not include cartoonish characters.
The Hopscotch designers believe the tool should try "Forcing Your Users To Make Something Beautiful":
http://blog.gethopscotch.com/post/21032692227/opinionated-tools-forcing-your...
Kodable is cast as a game, with music, but I can't picture many kids doing it for very long. Kathleen
I have the impression that the App eco system is aimed mostly at a teacherless environment, so they try to avoid the "hard fun" learning curve. Gamification might be a way around that, but I have not seen a good example yet.
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From: etoys-dev-bounces@squeakland.org [etoys-dev-bounces@squeakland.org] on behalf of Bert Freudenberg [bert@freudenbergs.de] Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 7:15 AM To: etoys-dev@squeakland.org dev Subject: Re: [etoys-dev] FW: CS4K8 Etoys Workshop
On 2013-05-22, at 00:52, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." jecel@merlintec.com wrote:
Kathleen,
It is beginning to seem more urgent that Etoys adapt to these new rather closed box machines.
Etoys has been adapted, but isn't allowed by Apple to be distributed to its users.
That's not exactly true: we did not even try to submit the iPad version to Apple. One reason is indeed that Apple might object to the built-in project sharing, but the more severe reason is that the current Etoys UI does not work well on a touch-only device. Nobody has seriously tried to do anything about that, yet.
(It is true that Apple rejected the "Scratch Viewer", see http://mobilewikiserver.com/Scratch.html )
- Bert -
I just bought a laptop with touchscreen, so I will probably get some time to fiddle with touchscreen issues soon.
Karl
On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.dewrote:
On 2013-05-22, at 00:52, "Jecel Assumpcao Jr." jecel@merlintec.com wrote:
Kathleen,
It is beginning to seem more urgent that Etoys adapt to these new rather closed box machines.
Etoys has been adapted, but isn't allowed by Apple to be distributed to its users.
That's not exactly true: we did not even try to submit the iPad version to Apple. One reason is indeed that Apple might object to the built-in project sharing, but the more severe reason is that the current Etoys UI does not work well on a touch-only device. Nobody has seriously tried to do anything about that, yet.
(It is true that Apple rejected the "Scratch Viewer", see http://mobilewikiserver.com/Scratch.html )
- Bert -
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