Arggh! Thanks for bringing this to my notice. It looks like an OS upgrade for the server which hosts Pootle have got rid of all the customizations that we had. I'm fixing this by tonight (and I'm shutting down Pootle for the next few hours, as we had quite a few crucial patches to the PO parser which took care of certain oddities in the various PO files that we have).

Thanks, Sayamindu

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

Sigh. Sayamindu said the merge would happen within two days automatically, and I committed the POT last week, so it should have been updated by now.

Anyway, in this case a bug fix release would be warranted I'd say. Or do we feel safe to include the updated translation in final if we get it this week?

• Bert -

On 14.10.2009, at 06:05, Korakurider wrote:

...

sigh, the latest POT (including function tile like "random") has not been merged to pootle yet and we will have missing translations...(degraded from sqL2005)

Will we have bug fix release to update translations, or do we need to wait for next year's release cycle?

/Korakurider

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

...

Etoys4-RC4 is shortly going to be up on

http://squeakland.org/download/

Please test thoroughly, we will release this as is unless a really critical issue is found this week!

Known Issues (to be included in Release Notes)

• Uploading a project from Etoys to Squeakland does not work if you are

behind a proxy. Please use a Web Browser to upload projects in this case.

• If you encounter issues in the Web Browser Plugin, try clicking the

Full Screen button in the Etoys tool bar. This can fix animation sluggishness, as well as wrong key or button mappings.

• Macintosh: On Snow Leopard, the Web Browser Plugin works unreliable in

Safari. We recommend to use Firefox in the mean time.

Changelog since first release candidate:

4.0.2334 (13 Oct 2009)

• fourth release candidate
• fix a problem uploading to SuperSwiki
• fix malformed uri in project manifest

4.0.2332 (6 Oct 2009)

• third release candidate
• updated translations: fr, ja
• store reference to previous project when a project is re-uploaded
• smaller font size for textual scripts
• fix translating of value types and function tiles
• fix bearing-to and distance-to in Test pane

4.0.2325 (29 Sep 2009)

• second release candidate
• updated translations: de, es, fr, ko, mn
• updated example projects
• attempt to fix the erratic "project can't be saved because of blocks"

warning

• fix missing languages on the Mac when launched by double-clicking a

project

• fix lost formatting when copying and pasting text on the Mac
• show "Haitian Creole" instead of "ht" in language menu
• supply parentheses around 'bearing to' and 'distance to' so expressions

can be extended

• prevent tool bar from accidental deletion
• Mac VM updated to 4.2.2b1: built under 10.6, fix memory leaks,

scrolling, serial ports

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Or do it ASAP, with the weekend to test :)

On Oct 14, 2009, at 10:16 AM, Timothy Falconer wrote:

Let's get the translation in, IMO. Do it with the final build. Any reason not to?

On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

...

Sigh. Sayamindu said the merge would happen within two days automatically, and I committed the POT last week, so it should have been updated by now.

Anyway, in this case a bug fix release would be warranted I'd say. Or do we feel safe to include the updated translation in final if we get it this week?

• Bert -

On 14.10.2009, at 06:05, Korakurider wrote:

...

sigh, the latest POT (including function tile like "random") has not been merged to pootle yet and we will have missing translations...(degraded from sqL2005)

Will we have bug fix release to update translations, or do we need to wait for next year's release cycle?

/Korakurider

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@freudenbergs.de

...

wrote: Etoys4-RC4 is shortly going to be up on

 http://squeakland.org/download/

Please test thoroughly, we will release this as is unless a really critical issue is found this week!

Known Issues (to be included in Release Notes)

• Uploading a project from Etoys to Squeakland does not work if

you are behind a proxy. Please use a Web Browser to upload projects in this case.

• If you encounter issues in the Web Browser Plugin, try clicking

the Full Screen button in the Etoys tool bar. This can fix animation sluggishness, as well as wrong key or button mappings.

• Macintosh: On Snow Leopard, the Web Browser Plugin works

unreliable in Safari. We recommend to use Firefox in the mean time.

Changelog since first release candidate:

4.0.2334 (13 Oct 2009)

• fourth release candidate
• fix a problem uploading to SuperSwiki
• fix malformed uri in project manifest

4.0.2332 (6 Oct 2009)

• third release candidate
• updated translations: fr, ja
• store reference to previous project when a project is re-uploaded
• smaller font size for textual scripts
• fix translating of value types and function tiles
• fix bearing-to and distance-to in Test pane

4.0.2325 (29 Sep 2009)

• second release candidate
• updated translations: de, es, fr, ko, mn
• updated example projects
• attempt to fix the erratic "project can't be saved because of

blocks" warning

• fix missing languages on the Mac when launched by double-

clicking a project

• fix lost formatting when copying and pasting text on the Mac
• show "Haitian Creole" instead of "ht" in language menu
• supply parentheses around 'bearing to' and 'distance to' so

expressions can be extended

• prevent tool bar from accidental deletion
• Mac VM updated to 4.2.2b1: built under 10.6, fix memory leaks,

scrolling, serial ports

• Bert -

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On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Timothy Falconer timothy@squeakland.org wrote:

Let's get the translation in, IMO.    Do it with the final build.  Any reason not to?

You need to allocate enough time and annouce plan to people. Things go like this:

1) POT merged to pootle <---- We are here now 2) People notice strings available for translation 3) People enter translations and commit them when they have time 4) You do build 5) Test 6) Release

Usually 2)-3) takes >1week because of community based nature. When is due date for 3) if you stick to final release of Oct21?

/Korakurider

On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:01 AM, Bert Freudenberg wrote:

...

Sigh. Sayamindu said the merge would happen within two days automatically, and I committed the POT last week, so it should have been updated by now.

Anyway, in this case a bug fix release would be warranted I'd say. Or do we feel safe to include the updated translation in final if we get it this week?

• Bert -

On 14.10.2009, at 06:05, Korakurider wrote:

...

sigh, the latest POT (including function tile like "random") has not been merged to pootle yet and we will have missing translations...(degraded from sqL2005)

Will we have bug fix release to update translations, or do we need to wait for next year's release cycle?

/Korakurider

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

...

Etoys4-RC4 is shortly going to be up on

http://squeakland.org/download/

Please test thoroughly, we will release this as is unless a really critical issue is found this week!

Known Issues (to be included in Release Notes)

• Uploading a project from Etoys to Squeakland does not work if you are

behind a proxy. Please use a Web Browser to upload projects in this case.

• If you encounter issues in the Web Browser Plugin, try clicking the

Full Screen button in the Etoys tool bar. This can fix animation sluggishness, as well as wrong key or button mappings.

• Macintosh: On Snow Leopard, the Web Browser Plugin works unreliable in

Safari. We recommend to use Firefox in the mean time.

Changelog since first release candidate:

4.0.2334 (13 Oct 2009)

• fourth release candidate
• fix a problem uploading to SuperSwiki
• fix malformed uri in project manifest

4.0.2332 (6 Oct 2009)

• third release candidate
• updated translations: fr, ja
• store reference to previous project when a project is re-uploaded
• smaller font size for textual scripts
• fix translating of value types and function tiles
• fix bearing-to and distance-to in Test pane

4.0.2325 (29 Sep 2009)

• second release candidate
• updated translations: de, es, fr, ko, mn
• updated example projects
• attempt to fix the erratic "project can't be saved because of blocks"

warning

• fix missing languages on the Mac when launched by double-clicking a

project

• fix lost formatting when copying and pasting text on the Mac
• show "Haitian Creole" instead of "ht" in language menu
• supply parentheses around 'bearing to' and 'distance to' so

expressions can be extended

• prevent tool bar from accidental deletion
• Mac VM updated to 4.2.2b1: built under 10.6, fix memory leaks,

scrolling, serial ports

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Please,

Shout it clearly to translators when they can start update the message strings so we don't miss the deadline

Thanks

Hilaire

We are back to normal now. The PO files should be up to date as well. -sdg-

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

Sigh. Sayamindu said the merge would happen within two days automatically, and I committed the POT last week, so it should have been updated by now.

Anyway, in this case a bug fix release would be warranted I'd say. Or do we feel safe to include the updated translation in final if we get it this week?

• Bert -

On 14.10.2009, at 06:05, Korakurider wrote:

...

sigh, the latest POT (including function tile like "random") has not been merged to pootle yet and we will have missing translations...(degraded from sqL2005)

Will we have bug fix release to update translations, or do we need to wait for next year's release cycle?

/Korakurider

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

...

Etoys4-RC4 is shortly going to be up on

http://squeakland.org/download/

Please test thoroughly, we will release this as is unless a really critical issue is found this week!

Known Issues (to be included in Release Notes)

• Uploading a project from Etoys to Squeakland does not work if you are

behind a proxy. Please use a Web Browser to upload projects in this case.

• If you encounter issues in the Web Browser Plugin, try clicking the

Full Screen button in the Etoys tool bar. This can fix animation sluggishness, as well as wrong key or button mappings.

• Macintosh: On Snow Leopard, the Web Browser Plugin works unreliable in

Safari. We recommend to use Firefox in the mean time.

Changelog since first release candidate:

4.0.2334 (13 Oct 2009)

• fourth release candidate
• fix a problem uploading to SuperSwiki
• fix malformed uri in project manifest

4.0.2332 (6 Oct 2009)

• third release candidate
• updated translations: fr, ja
• store reference to previous project when a project is re-uploaded
• smaller font size for textual scripts
• fix translating of value types and function tiles
• fix bearing-to and distance-to in Test pane

4.0.2325 (29 Sep 2009)

• second release candidate
• updated translations: de, es, fr, ko, mn
• updated example projects
• attempt to fix the erratic "project can't be saved because of blocks"

warning

• fix missing languages on the Mac when launched by double-clicking a

project

• fix lost formatting when copying and pasting text on the Mac
• show "Haitian Creole" instead of "ht" in language menu
• supply parentheses around 'bearing to' and 'distance to' so expressions

can be extended

• prevent tool bar from accidental deletion
• Mac VM updated to 4.2.2b1: built under 10.6, fix memory leaks,

scrolling, serial ports

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I've tied the commit messages system to a service that will sms me when a new commit happens. Hopefully that will make things better. -sdg-

On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 1:34 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

Thank you!

• Bert -

On 14.10.2009, at 21:56, Sayamindu Dasgupta wrote:

...

We are back to normal now. The PO files should be up to date as well. -sdg-

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

...

Sigh. Sayamindu said the merge would happen within two days automatically, and I committed the POT last week, so it should have been updated by now.

Anyway, in this case a bug fix release would be warranted I'd say. Or do we feel safe to include the updated translation in final if we get it this week?

• Bert -

On 14.10.2009, at 06:05, Korakurider wrote:

...

sigh, the latest POT (including function tile like "random") has not been merged to pootle yet and we will have missing translations...(degraded from sqL2005)

Will we have bug fix release to update translations, or do we need to wait for next year's release cycle?

/Korakurider

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:

...

Etoys4-RC4 is shortly going to be up on

http://squeakland.org/download/

Please test thoroughly, we will release this as is unless a really critical issue is found this week!

Known Issues (to be included in Release Notes)

• Uploading a project from Etoys to Squeakland does not work if you are

behind a proxy. Please use a Web Browser to upload projects in this case.

• If you encounter issues in the Web Browser Plugin, try clicking the

Full Screen button in the Etoys tool bar. This can fix animation sluggishness, as well as wrong key or button mappings.

• Macintosh: On Snow Leopard, the Web Browser Plugin works unreliable

in Safari. We recommend to use Firefox in the mean time.

Changelog since first release candidate:

4.0.2334 (13 Oct 2009)

• fourth release candidate
• fix a problem uploading to SuperSwiki
• fix malformed uri in project manifest

4.0.2332 (6 Oct 2009)

• third release candidate
• updated translations: fr, ja
• store reference to previous project when a project is re-uploaded
• smaller font size for textual scripts
• fix translating of value types and function tiles
• fix bearing-to and distance-to in Test pane

4.0.2325 (29 Sep 2009)

• second release candidate
• updated translations: de, es, fr, ko, mn
• updated example projects
• attempt to fix the erratic "project can't be saved because of blocks"

warning

• fix missing languages on the Mac when launched by double-clicking a

project

• fix lost formatting when copying and pasting text on the Mac
• show "Haitian Creole" instead of "ht" in language menu
• supply parentheses around 'bearing to' and 'distance to' so

expressions can be extended

• prevent tool bar from accidental deletion
• Mac VM updated to 4.2.2b1: built under 10.6, fix memory leaks,

scrolling, serial ports

• Bert -

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