Interesting discussion on the Sugar list. Since we are working on project sharing via server too, this is highly relevant, in both the legal and technical aspects.
In particular I agree that for OLPC/Sugar deployments using Moodle school servers we need to default to the school server when publishing projects. Also, we should make sure our meta data (like tagging) is compatible with Sugar's so kids do not have to describe their projects twice when they run in Sugar.
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From: Martin Langhoff martin.langhoff@gmail.com Date: 26. Juli 2009 06:09:18 GMT-03:00 To: Tomeu Vizoso tomeu@sugarlabs.org Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, devel@lists.laptop.org, Joshua Eddy joshuageddy@gmail.com, Bastien bastienguerry@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/2009/07/july-23-2009-xo-web-sharing-scr...
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizosotomeu@sugarlabs.org wrote:
That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in
It's a fantastic idea, but I have to concur with Tomeu -- make it work _local_ (with the XS for example, though it doesn't have to be), and from there push it upstream if possible, but *let users control this explicitly*.
My long term plan (if I ever get to it!) is to do something like this with Moodle+Mahara. Or perhaps Moodle->Moodle. So I'd love to see this done.
When I write "let users control this explicitly", I mean: let kids share this with their local (and safe) group, and let them choose to publish more widely (to the internet) with the input from adults (teachers, parents).
We had almost identical discussions with the "edublog" team, they wanted to have kids blog directly to the internet. As things progressed they realised it was a bad idea. Do search the discussion lists for edublog to have more background.
In some countries, beyond being a bad idea, it is illegal. In the US at least there are serious laws that will get teachers and schools into lots of trouble if kids' privacy is breached. And yes, Internet === Breach of privacy.
cheers,
m
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On 2009-07-26 16:49, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Interesting discussion on the Sugar list. Since we are working on project sharing via server too, this is highly relevant, in both the legal and technical aspects.
In particular I agree that for OLPC/Sugar deployments using Moodle school servers we need to default to the school server when publishing projects. Also, we should make sure our meta data (like tagging) is compatible with Sugar's so kids do not have to describe their projects twice when they run in Sugar.
I agree there is a need for this. The implementation details is a huge task. Manageability must be kept in focus as it's easy to loose track of several thousend projects. I think we should to scrape out scrips and texts to make it seachable.
I lost my login at wiki.squeakland.org, but we use have a page there to track specs we want.
Karl
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Begin forwarded message:
From: Martin Langhoff martin.langhoff@gmail.com Date: 26. Juli 2009 06:09:18 GMT-03:00 To: Tomeu Vizoso tomeu@sugarlabs.org Cc: iaep iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org, devel@lists.laptop.org, Joshua Eddy joshuageddy@gmail.com, Bastien bastienguerry@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] The Next Wave of Activity Sharing
http://joshstechjournal.blogspot.com/2009/07/july-23-2009-xo-web-sharing-scr...
On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Tomeu Vizosotomeu@sugarlabs.org wrote:
That's what I was trying to explain ;) Though I do see some value in
It's a fantastic idea, but I have to concur with Tomeu -- make it work _local_ (with the XS for example, though it doesn't have to be), and from there push it upstream if possible, but *let users control this explicitly*.
My long term plan (if I ever get to it!) is to do something like this with Moodle+Mahara. Or perhaps Moodle->Moodle. So I'd love to see this done.
When I write "let users control this explicitly", I mean: let kids share this with their local (and safe) group, and let them choose to publish more widely (to the internet) with the input from adults (teachers, parents).
We had almost identical discussions with the "edublog" team, they wanted to have kids blog directly to the internet. As things progressed they realised it was a bad idea. Do search the discussion lists for edublog to have more background.
In some countries, beyond being a bad idea, it is illegal. In the US at least there are serious laws that will get teachers and schools into lots of trouble if kids' privacy is breached. And yes, Internet === Breach of privacy.
cheers,
m
martin.langhoff@gmail.com martin@laptop.org -- School Server Architect
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- don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first
- http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff
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