Well second coolest "when it works" :)

So I was able to change 1000 to '1,000' but when I used the numeric value of '1,000' I get 1 instead of 1000 (note already put an enhancement request in tracker).

So how can I remove translate '1,000' to 1000? Tried method finder, but no luck using "'1,000'. 1000". I can think of a couple ways of doing this (ex: iterate through the characters and remove commas) But there really should be an easier more Etoys friendly way.

Also for internationalization I noticed that the decimal mark is always a period (even when using German, perhaps they have finally realized we have a better system, dividing by 10 is too easy and requires no hard fun ;)

Thanks, Stephen

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 3:02 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote:

Okay, Method Finder has to be the second coolest code tool ever. I simply give an example of what I want to do and it finds it.

FYI to get to Method Finder: CMD-<comma> (CTRL-<comma> on PC, I think) -> open... -> method finder

Thanks Bert.

Stephen

On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 9:02 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.dewrote:

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On 07.07.2012, at 16:09, Steve Thomas wrote:

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When I set a text's numeric value, I would like to include the

thousands separator to make it easier to compare two numbers.

It's not built into Etoys.

To find the right Squeak method, open a method finder. Give it an example, e.g. "12345. '12,345'". It will look for a method with that receiver giving that result.

(this works for methods with arguments, too. E.g. try "2. 3. 8")

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.dewrote:

On 2012-07-08, at 22:01, Steve Thomas wrote:

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Well second coolest "when it works" :)

So I was able to change 1000 to '1,000' but when I used the numeric

value of '1,000' I get 1 instead of 1000 (note already put an enhancement request in tracker).

...

So how can I remove translate '1,000' to 1000? Tried method finder, but

no luck using "'1,000'. 1000".

Well, the method finder works only if a single method does what you need, and there is no such method. One example that is helpful would be

    '1,000' . ',' . '1000'

or the less obvious

    '1,000' . $, . '1000'

(which uses Smalltalk's notation for characters)

Cool thanks.

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I can think of a couple ways of doing this (ex: iterate through the

characters and remove commas) But there really should be an easier more Etoys friendly way.

...

Also for internationalization I noticed that the decimal mark is always

a period (even when using German, perhaps they have finally realized we have a better system, dividing by 10 is too easy and requires no hard fun ;)

I don't get the joke why you think any of the notations is inherently "better".

But maybe we can agree that mixing commas and dots is not ideal. Switching the notation based on locale is no solution either. Projects that use numerical strings would become dependent on the locale.

Agreed.

The best way I can think of is following the ISO recommendation of using spaces for digit grouping. This could be a relatively simple change, and would be unambiguous internationally.

I like it, need to think about it some more though. For existing projects displaying using spaces for digit grouping could throw off layout on some existing projects.

Stephen

On 25.07.2012, at 20:57, Steve Thomas wrote:

So in talking to a friend of mine from India, they have a numeral system using lakhs (lacs) (1,00,000 equal to 100 000) and crores (1,00,00,000 equal to 10 000 000). Then of course when you get to big numbers they express things in crores. So you can see 1,00,000 crores (or 1,00,000,00,00,000).

Bottom line. I don't think the need for this change is that great and too many issues. I'll dip into smalltalk when needed.

Thanks, Stephen

At least until we come up with real localized numbers :)

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:32 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote: On 2012-07-08, at 22:01, Steve Thomas wrote:

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Well second coolest "when it works" :)

So I was able to change 1000 to '1,000' but when I used the numeric value of '1,000' I get 1 instead of 1000 (note already put an enhancement request in tracker).

So how can I remove translate '1,000' to 1000? Tried method finder, but no luck using "'1,000'. 1000".

Well, the method finder works only if a single method does what you need, and there is no such method. One example that is helpful would be

    '1,000' . ',' . '1000'

or the less obvious

    '1,000' . $, . '1000'

(which uses Smalltalk's notation for characters)

Cool thanks.

...

I can think of a couple ways of doing this (ex: iterate through the characters and remove commas) But there really should be an easier more Etoys friendly way.

Also for internationalization I noticed that the decimal mark is always a period (even when using German, perhaps they have finally realized we have a better system, dividing by 10 is too easy and requires no hard fun ;)

I don't get the joke why you think any of the notations is inherently "better".

But maybe we can agree that mixing commas and dots is not ideal. Switching the notation based on locale is no solution either. Projects that use numerical strings would become dependent on the locale. Agreed.

The best way I can think of is following the ISO recommendation of using spaces for digit grouping. This could be a relatively simple change, and would be unambiguous internationally.

I like it, need to think about it some more though. For existing projects displaying using spaces for digit grouping could throw off layout on some existing projects.

Stephen