Hi Kim,
I uploaded latest Demon Castle tutorials for OLPC eToys.
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle3.004.pr (scriptor)
Only DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter) is changed from last time I sent. I added instruction with event recorder. Could you correct my English?
I think text part is almost done. I will change graphics more. Cheers,
- Takashi
Takashi,
These are really beautiful and funny! And I feel they are easy to follow and learn from by a new user. My kids worked with eToys before, but I want to ask them to find a friend who did not, and go through the tutorials over the weekend, to test if there are places they get stuck.
Milan
PS: (Also, as an potential consideration, I was thinking that for someone completely new to discover how to drop a tile onto scriptor may be hard, I wonder if it would make sense to consider ading "watch a movie how to do it" button just for that one step)
On 2006 October 18 11:58, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi Kim,
I uploaded latest Demon Castle tutorials for OLPC eToys.
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle3.004.pr (scriptor)
Only DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter) is changed from last time I sent. I added instruction with event recorder. Could you correct my English?
I think text part is almost done. I will change graphics more. Cheers,
- Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Hi Milan,
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Takashi,
These are really beautiful and funny! And I feel they are easy to follow and learn from by a new user. My kids worked with eToys before, but I want to ask them to find a friend who did not, and go through the tutorials over the weekend, to test if there are places they get stuck.
Thank you!
Actually, I have never tested it with real children yet. So you would find a lot of points to fix ;)
PS: (Also, as an potential consideration, I was thinking that for someone completely new to discover how to drop a tile onto scriptor may be hard, I wonder if it would make sense to consider ading "watch a movie how to do it" button just for that one step)
Yes, that is hard issue, so ignore in my tutorial. As Alan said, EventRecoder would be very effective to explain how to use a scriptor. That is a next important goal.
Cheers, - Takashi
Hi Takashi -
Some comments on the tutorials (which you can completely ignore if you don't like 'em ;-) All in all, this is very, very cool. Going through the exercise it struck me that it would be wonderful if for each of the challenges there would be some "help me" or "show me" button that a user could use if they are stuck. Something to think about, perhaps for the next version. Here are some issues that I encountered with the tutorials:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
* On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
* On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from "Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
* On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter)
* The event recorder didn't work at all for me. For one thing the painting palette popped up in a flap (and from the recorded strokes it looks like you were making this with the palette embedded in the playfield). Some wrong preference? Second, I had moved the book slightly because it didn't fit my screen so the event recorder was off. We should lock the book so that one cannot move it to avoid this problem.
* I notice that the brush sizes are smaller than we chose back in Boston. Is this intentional or am I missing some update?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle3.004.pr (scriptor)
* On the second page the down-arrow points to the close button of the scriptor instead of the fire button. This is confusing since it's not clear if you've drawn the right button and point to the wrong button or vice versa.
* On the page with the three test tiles in a single script, wouldn't it be easier to make three scripts instead? Or is there a point to this I'm missing?
Other than that these are *great* tutorials.
Cheers, - Andreas
Hi Andreas --
There is actually a plan for what to do when one gets stuck. There will be a "hints" button on every page, and when you touch it (if you've tried already), the system will show you (via event recorder and a scripting area) how to do it. All of these are revertable (thanks to Ted and Scott).
This double tactic (of doing the game first and then using a hint demo if stuck) seems like it will be good for the kids and is likely to work fairly well.
Cheers,
Alan
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At 08:58 PM 10/19/2006, Andreas Raab wrote:
Hi Takashi -
Some comments on the tutorials (which you can completely ignore if you don't like 'em ;-) All in all, this is very, very cool. Going through the exercise it struck me that it would be wonderful if for each of the challenges there would be some "help me" or "show me" button that a user could use if they are stuck. Something to think about, perhaps for the next version. Here are some issues that I encountered with the tutorials:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
- On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text
closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
- On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from
"Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
- On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right
size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter)
- The event recorder didn't work at all for me. For one thing the
painting palette popped up in a flap (and from the recorded strokes it looks like you were making this with the palette embedded in the playfield). Some wrong preference? Second, I had moved the book slightly because it didn't fit my screen so the event recorder was off. We should lock the book so that one cannot move it to avoid this problem.
- I notice that the brush sizes are smaller than we chose back in
Boston. Is this intentional or am I missing some update?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle3.004.pr (scriptor)
- On the second page the down-arrow points to the close button of the
scriptor instead of the fire button. This is confusing since it's not clear if you've drawn the right button and point to the wrong button or vice versa.
- On the page with the three test tiles in a single script, wouldn't it
be easier to make three scripts instead? Or is there a point to this I'm missing?
Other than that these are *great* tutorials.
Cheers,
- Andreas
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Takashi,
I remember one thing I got stuck on (almost) completely, was when I started resizing the "BIG KEY". When you try to make it big and small again in a few directions without letting go (and it goes LARGE/Small/OK"), it becomes almost impossible to hit the OK size. Maybe it should be more generous with the range of OK (it seems to use a relative measure perhaps). I will have more notes over the weekend,
Milan
On 2006 October 19 23:58, Andreas Raab wrote:
Hi Takashi -
Some comments on the tutorials (which you can completely ignore if you don't like 'em ;-) All in all, this is very, very cool. Going through the exercise it struck me that it would be wonderful if for each of the challenges there would be some "help me" or "show me" button that a user could use if they are stuck. Something to think about, perhaps for the
next version. Here are some issues that I encountered with the tutorials:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
- On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text
closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
- On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from
"Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
- On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right
size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter)
- The event recorder didn't work at all for me. For one thing the
painting palette popped up in a flap (and from the recorded strokes it looks like you were making this with the palette embedded in the playfield). Some wrong preference? Second, I had moved the book slightly because it didn't fit my screen so the event recorder was off. We should lock the book so that one cannot move it to avoid this problem.
- I notice that the brush sizes are smaller than we chose back in
Boston. Is this intentional or am I missing some update?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle3.004.pr (scriptor)
- On the second page the down-arrow points to the close button of the
scriptor instead of the fire button. This is confusing since it's not clear if you've drawn the right button and point to the wrong button or vice versa.
- On the page with the three test tiles in a single script, wouldn't it
be easier to make three scripts instead? Or is there a point to this I'm missing?
Other than that these are *great* tutorials.
Cheers,
- Andreas
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Hi Andreas, Milan,
I have updated handles tutorial. http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.005.pr
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Takashi,
I remember one thing I got stuck on (almost) completely, was when I started resizing the "BIG KEY". When you try to make it big and small again in a few directions without letting go (and it goes LARGE/Small/OK"), it becomes almost impossible to hit the OK size. Maybe it should be more generous with the range of OK (it seems to use a relative measure perhaps). I will have more notes over the weekend,
Aha! everybody who tried it complained this issue, but I just forgot... I made it easier, thank you!
On 2006 October 19 23:58, Andreas Raab wrote:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
- On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text
closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
Oops, you are right. That was bad.
- On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from
"Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
Make sense,
- On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right
size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
I am going to fix other two projects later. Thank you so much!
Takashi
Hi Takashi,
This weekend, we ran a usability test on your tutorial. The way I setup the environment is I asked 3 girls (2 of my daughters, both age 15, and their friend, same age) to do, separately: - Start each of the 3 projects of the tutorial (I did the start/stop) - Be in a room with a computer by herself, with no help - Call me in if she gets stuck, BUT only after 2-3 minutes of trying. I helped only the minimum necessary in such case.
All was repeated with each. All 3 finished all 3 tutorials, some help was needed, Jacqueline only needed help once, to "repair the script".
I realize the ages are probably older then the target age. Also my girls did use eToys quite a bit before (up to about 2 years ago, when they used it last .. I noticed they did a _very_ good job forgetting it :) ). Their friend never used eToys; but all used computers to a fairly large degree.
I basically decided to note (and report here) things on which they get stuck too long or surprised by. The report below is sort of a summary of the 3 of them. First, let me say that you would be happy to see (and hear) their comments: - Wow, this is pretty cool - Ah, I can use it - What i cute demon :) - etc
Please do not take the length of this "report" as a negative sign - the girls did love the tutorial, and all got to the end with some help, Jacqueline almost did it all by herself!
So the report: ===========
A. Generic Findings: ================ - Kids are impatient :) they cannot wait 2 minutes without asking for help, but get better over time.
- When they get lost, they make things worse by just clicking around, often trying things they learned in previous lessons.
- The "Try Again" button was valuable, but it would be nice to add a note (bold) "You can always click on the "Try Again" button". Also is it possible for the "Try Again" to completely restore the state, including deleting copies, restoring destroyed scripts etc? For example, sometimes they ended up with many copies of the key (as they decided to try the "duplicate"), and things became confusing. Also, Joelle deleted the scriptor, and that was the end of her lesson until I restarted it. So restoring the page state completely on "Try Again" would be great.
- We had a few MNU, but they did figure to just click the "x" on the left, and kept playing. This is funny, for a developer it is a mojor event. For a child, as long as they know what to do, just get rid of it and keep going...
- Not sure how hard this is - is it possible to "lock up" the instructions, in the sense kids cannot write to it, a few times they got confused and started dragging out images from the instructions
B1. Handles/Hallo Tutorial: =============
- Clicking on the black parts of the "key morph" does not act on in. I realize this is etoys behaviour, but it confused one of them, brought confusion about how the halo is brought up, and I had to explain. I think for the initial tutorial, the key morph should have a black background, so it is sensitive to click anywhere on it or close to it.
- Apart from that, pretty smooth sailing!
B2. Paint Tool Tutorial: =================
- I think the "auto-painter" confused more then helped, overall. I would probably remove it, caused much confusion for everyone. (Also, once painted, the painted morph stays around on all following pages it seems?).
- On the following few "Paint my face" instruction pages: In the instructions, perhaps instead of pasting the icons, better would be to start with hallo up, and put the "Paint Box" close, or inside, of the instructions?. The girls thought that they should click on the icons inside the instructions, instead on the PaintBox all the way right. Eventually they ploughed through it though :)
B3. Scripting Tutorial (hardest, understandably, but excellent): =====================================
- a movie would be ideal (Broken scriptor: hardest to get right)
- The "Try Again" comment from A. Generic Findings: applies.
- The girl who did not use eToys, was confused and kept asking "what is scriptor"?, "what is a tile"? - We should define and describe "scriptor", "tile", "exclamation", and "clock", in more detail, perhaps a more text and arrows would help. It is hard to describe though...
- The arrow "Try the exclamation button" should point to "!" (points to scriptor)
- Page "Is the scriptor broken" page: Perhaps could add more description like: "Once the scriptor is repaired, click the clock as in the previous page". This is where the girl who did not use eToys started to get stuck.
- Page "Let me explain a bit about a scriptor here.": - What do you think about moving this page up front, maybe simplifying it (as noted 3 items above)
5. At the end: ==========
This was funny, where the demon says "I am sorry I captured you. But I just want a human friend. I am a lonely demon.", the girls all noted "why does he ask about a human friend, it should be a cat friend?" I never noticed it at all...
Beautiful stuff - please let me know if we can help. We noticed a few typos and formulation potential changes - if you'd like, we can summarize them.
Thanks Milan, Jacqueline, Joelle and Najiba
On 2006 October 20 11:08, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi Andreas, Milan,
I have updated handles tutorial. http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.005.pr
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Takashi,
I remember one thing I got stuck on (almost) completely, was when I started resizing the "BIG KEY". When you try to make it big and small again in a few directions without letting go (and it goes LARGE/Small/OK"), it becomes almost impossible to hit the OK size. Maybe it should be more generous with the range of OK (it seems to use a relative measure perhaps). I will have more notes over the weekend,
Aha! everybody who tried it complained this issue, but I just forgot... I made it easier, thank you!
On 2006 October 19 23:58, Andreas Raab wrote:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
- On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text
closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
Oops, you are right. That was bad.
- On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from
"Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
Make sense,
- On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right
size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
I am going to fix other two projects later. Thank you so much!
Takashi
Thanks very much for this feedback!
Yes, these are definitely things that happen, and it is difficult to anticipate them, so this detailed description really helps!
Cheers,
Alan
---------------
At 11:42 PM 10/22/2006, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Hi Takashi,
This weekend, we ran a usability test on your tutorial. The way I setup the environment is I asked 3 girls (2 of my daughters, both age 15, and their friend, same age) to do, separately: - Start each of the 3 projects of the tutorial (I did the start/stop) - Be in a room with a computer by herself, with no help - Call me in if she gets stuck, BUT only after 2-3 minutes of trying. I helped only the minimum necessary in such case.
All was repeated with each. All 3 finished all 3 tutorials, some help was needed, Jacqueline only needed help once, to "repair the script".
I realize the ages are probably older then the target age. Also my girls did use eToys quite a bit before (up to about 2 years ago, when they used it last .. I noticed they did a _very_ good job forgetting it :) ). Their friend never used eToys; but all used computers to a fairly large degree.
I basically decided to note (and report here) things on which they get stuck too long or surprised by. The report below is sort of a summary of the 3 of them. First, let me say that you would be happy to see (and hear) their comments: - Wow, this is pretty cool - Ah, I can use it - What i cute demon :) - etc
Please do not take the length of this "report" as a negative sign - the girls did love the tutorial, and all got to the end with some help, Jacqueline almost did it all by herself!
So the report:
A. Generic Findings:
- Kids are impatient :) they cannot wait 2 minutes withoutasking for help, but get better over time.
- When they get lost, they make things worse by justclicking around, often trying things they learned in previous lessons.
- The "Try Again" button was valuable, but it would be niceto add a note (bold) "You can always click on the "Try Again" button". Also is it possible for the "Try Again" to completely restore the state, including deleting copies, restoring destroyed scripts etc? For example, sometimes they ended up with many copies of the key (as they decided to try the "duplicate"), and things became confusing. Also, Joelle deleted the scriptor, and that was the end of her lesson until I restarted it. So restoring the page state completely on "Try Again" would be great.
- We had a few MNU, but they did figure to just click the"x" on the left, and kept playing. This is funny, for a developer it is a mojor event. For a child, as long as they know what to do, just get rid of it and keep going...
- Not sure how hard this is - is it possible to "lock up"the instructions, in the sense kids cannot write to it, a few times they got confused and started dragging out images from the instructions
B1. Handles/Hallo Tutorial:
- Clicking on the black parts of the "key morph" does notact on in. I realize this is etoys behaviour, but it confused one of them, brought confusion about how the halo is brought up, and I had to explain. I think for the initial tutorial, the key morph should have a black background, so it is sensitive to click anywhere on it or close to it.
- Apart from that, pretty smooth sailing!B2. Paint Tool Tutorial:
- I think the "auto-painter" confused more then helped,overall. I would probably remove it, caused much confusion for everyone. (Also, once painted, the painted morph stays around on all following pages it seems?).
- On the following few "Paint my face" instruction pages: In theinstructions, perhaps instead of pasting the icons, better would be to start with hallo up, and put the "Paint Box" close, or inside, of the instructions?. The girls thought that they should click on the icons inside the instructions, instead on the PaintBox all the way right. Eventually they ploughed through it though :)
B3. Scripting Tutorial (hardest, understandably, but excellent):
- a movie would be ideal (Broken scriptor: hardest to get right) - The "Try Again" comment from A. Generic Findings: applies. - The girl who did not use eToys, was confused and keptasking "what is scriptor"?, "what is a tile"? - We should define and describe "scriptor", "tile", "exclamation", and "clock", in more detail, perhaps a more text and arrows would help. It is hard to describe though...
- The arrow "Try the exclamation button" should point to"!" (points to scriptor)
- Page "Is the scriptor broken" page: Perhaps could addmore description like: "Once the scriptor is repaired, click the clock as in the previous page". This is where the girl who did not use eToys started to get stuck.
- Page "Let me explain a bit about a scriptor here.": -What do you think about moving this page up front, maybe simplifying it (as noted 3 items above)
- At the end:
==========
This was funny, where the demon says "I am sorry I captured you. But I just want a human friend. I am a lonely demon.", the girls all noted "why does he ask about a human friend, it should be a cat friend?" I never noticed it at all...
Beautiful stuff - please let me know if we can help. We noticed a few typos and formulation potential changes - if you'd like, we can summarize them.
Thanks Milan, Jacqueline, Joelle and Najiba
On 2006 October 20 11:08, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi Andreas, Milan,
I have updated handles tutorial. http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.005.pr
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Takashi,
I remember one thing I got stuck on (almost) completely, was when I started resizing the "BIG KEY". When you try to make it big and small again in a few directions without letting go (and it goes LARGE/Small/OK"), it becomes almost impossible to hit the OK size. Maybe it should be more generous with the range of OK (it seems to use a relative measure perhaps). I will have more notes over the weekend,
Aha! everybody who tried it complained this issue, but I just forgot... I made it easier, thank you!
On 2006 October 19 23:58, Andreas Raab wrote:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
- On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text
closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
Oops, you are right. That was bad.
- On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from
"Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
Make sense,
- On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right
size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
I am going to fix other two projects later. Thank you so much!
Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
On 2006 October 23 08:32, Alan Kay wrote:
Thanks very much for this feedback!
Welcome, no problem, I was curious how they would respond to working alone in a no-help-provided (for a while) situation. In the past when doing eToys with my kids, I always provided help too readily (applies to other things as well..). They sometimes experimented too much too quickly, created copies (etc) when not needed, tore things apart, and yet "got it" and reached next step.
Yes, these are definitely things that happen, and it is difficult to anticipate them,
hehe, true!
Milan
so this detailed description really helps!
Cheers,
Alan
Hi Milan,
Thank you so much about the valuable testing!
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Hi Takashi,
This weekend, we ran a usability test on your tutorial.
Actually it was so fun to read it. I imagined how the girls respond, laugh, and sometimes complain ;) That's great! I really learned by that. I can't fix each issues now because I have to do another things, though. I promise that I comment about issues later, and make them better surely!
Beautiful stuff - please let me know if we can help. We noticed a few typos and formulation potential changes - if you'd like, we can summarize them.
Also, please give me your suggestion about any words and expression anytime.
Thanks, - Takashi
One easy fix for one problem would be to make the hole in the key black instead of transparent....
Cheers,
Alan
------------
At 08:51 AM 10/23/2006, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi Milan,
Thank you so much about the valuable testing!
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Hi Takashi,
This weekend, we ran a usability test on your tutorial.
Actually it was so fun to read it. I imagined how the girls respond, laugh, and sometimes complain ;) That's great! I really learned by that. I can't fix each issues now because I have to do another things, though. I promise that I comment about issues later, and make them better surely!
Beautiful stuff - please let me know if we can help. We noticed a
few typos
and formulation potential changes - if you'd like, we can summarize them.
Also, please give me your suggestion about any words and expression anytime.
Thanks,
- Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
... and give it a little black outline ...
- Bert -
Am 23.10.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Alan Kay:
One easy fix for one problem would be to make the hole in the key black instead of transparent....
Cheers,
Alan
At 08:51 AM 10/23/2006, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi Milan,
Thank you so much about the valuable testing!
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Hi Takashi,
This weekend, we ran a usability test on your tutorial.
Actually it was so fun to read it. I imagined how the girls respond, laugh, and sometimes complain ;) That's great! I really learned by that. I can't fix each issues now because I have to do another things, though. I promise that I comment about issues later, and make them better surely!
Beautiful stuff - please let me know if we can help. We noticed
a few typos
and formulation potential changes - if you'd like, we can
summarize them.
Also, please give me your suggestion about any words and expression anytime.
Thanks,
- Takashi
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Etoys mailing list Etoys@laptop.org http://mailman.laptop.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys
Aha, That's *good* idea! I've uploaded to http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.007.pr and the git repository.
Thank you!
Bert Freudenberg wrote:
... and give it a little black outline ...
- Bert -
Am 23.10.2006 um 19:17 schrieb Alan Kay:
One easy fix for one problem would be to make the hole in the key black instead of transparent....
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
B1. Handles/Hallo Tutorial:
- Clicking on the black parts of the "key morph" does not act on in. I
realize this is etoys behaviour, but it confused one of them, brought confusion about how the halo is brought up, and I had to explain. I think for the initial tutorial, the key morph should have a black background, so it is sensitive to click anywhere on it or close to it.
Takashi,
Thanks for commenting, and I will send a few typo and formulation suggestions tomorrow. I will just use "old string" => "new string" format, if it's easier for you that I make changes in the projects and save, let me know.
Later, Milan
On 2006 October 23 11:51, Takashi Yamamiya wrote:
Hi Milan,
Thank you so much about the valuable testing!
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Hi Takashi,
This weekend, we ran a usability test on your tutorial.
Actually it was so fun to read it. I imagined how the girls respond, laugh, and sometimes complain ;) That's great! I really learned by that. I can't fix each issues now because I have to do another things, though. I promise that I comment about issues later, and make them better surely!
Beautiful stuff - please let me know if we can help. We noticed a few typos and formulation potential changes - if you'd like, we can summarize them.
Also, please give me your suggestion about any words and expression anytime.
Thanks,
- Takashi
Milan Zimmermann wrote:
Takashi,
I remember one thing I got stuck on (almost) completely, was when I started resizing the "BIG KEY". When you try to make it big and small again in a few directions without letting go (and it goes LARGE/Small/OK"), it becomes almost impossible to hit the OK size. Maybe it should be more generous with the range of OK (it seems to use a relative measure perhaps). I will have more notes over the weekend,
Milan
On 2006 October 19 23:58, Andreas Raab wrote:
Hi Takashi -
Some comments on the tutorials (which you can completely ignore if you don't like 'em ;-) All in all, this is very, very cool. Going through the exercise it struck me that it would be wonderful if for each of the challenges there would be some "help me" or "show me" button that a user could use if they are stuck. Something to think about, perhaps for the
next version. Here are some issues that I encountered with the tutorials:
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle1.004.pr (handles)
- On the first page where it says "Click THIS arrow" I'd move the text
closer to the arrow. I was kinda looking for "another" arrow because the one you mean is quite far away from the text.
- On the third page (with the first key) I would change the text from
"Go ahead you can move the key" to something like "Go ahead, drag the key on the keyhole" (to emphasize that you mean click and drag)
- On the "resize handle" page it was very hard to find quite the right
size for the key. It seems as if there is only a small range in which it will fit and it was quite tricky to get that "just right". I wonder if there is an easy way to increase that range?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle2.004.pr (painter)
- The event recorder didn't work at all for me. For one thing the
painting palette popped up in a flap (and from the recorded strokes it looks like you were making this with the palette embedded in the playfield). Some wrong preference? Second, I had moved the book slightly because it didn't fit my screen so the event recorder was off. We should lock the book so that one cannot move it to avoid this problem.
The event recorder only works when the Squeak window on playback is the same size as when recorded. This will maybe not be a problem on the OLPC as they share the same spec. It makes it all most useless in the world of desktop computers, though. Karl
- I notice that the brush sizes are smaller than we chose back in
Boston. Is this intentional or am I missing some update?
http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/tutorial/DemonCastle3.004.pr (scriptor)
- On the second page the down-arrow points to the close button of the
scriptor instead of the fire button. This is confusing since it's not clear if you've drawn the right button and point to the wrong button or vice versa.
- On the page with the three test tiles in a single script, wouldn't it
be easier to make three scripts instead? Or is there a point to this I'm missing?
Other than that these are *great* tutorials.
Cheers,
- Andreas
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