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Hi All,
This morning we talk in the etoys list about passing from etoys to Smalltalk using Bots Inc as a bridge and I proposed a project that I called "Dramabotics", the idea is to use Bots Inc for storytelling on local folklore. In this way, once the basic topics on etoys and Bots Inc were covered, we narrate some story where the actors are robots and etoys, making a bridge between programming and local folklore.
At this moment my class and me are starting to explore the Bots Inc environment for this and we have two questions (I always ask myself if this is the proper place to ask, so point me another place if I'm wrong):
* Can the loadImage and lookLike messages of BotsInc support graphics made in other graphical tools, like Inkscape, provided that they are in the proper format (jpeg, png, etc) ?
* I have seen the method Pica-Bot>>Bot>>private morphic>>balloonFeedback and I'm trying to get different messages from the robot, for example:
| probar | probar := Bot new. probar setBallonText: ('Rin Rin renacuajo...') withCRs.
but this doesn't work, only if I change the message in the System Browser I get the desired behavior but I want a method for making the robots say different things.
Thanks for your help. The more I use Squeak, the more I'm convinced of their powerful embedded ideas and its impact on education.
Cheers,
Offray
BotsInc is maybe not the best in environment to do this experiment as it has lots of safeguards against the full Squeak IDE.
I have not found any real support for the thing you want to do in either Squeakland or OLPC image. If you want a quick solution you could try Scratch (http://scratch.mit.edu/) which has pretty good support for this kind of animation and talk bubbles.
Karl
Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote:
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Hi All,
This morning we talk in the etoys list about passing from etoys to Smalltalk using Bots Inc as a bridge and I proposed a project that I called "Dramabotics", the idea is to use Bots Inc for storytelling on local folklore. In this way, once the basic topics on etoys and Bots Inc were covered, we narrate some story where the actors are robots and etoys, making a bridge between programming and local folklore.
At this moment my class and me are starting to explore the Bots Inc environment for this and we have two questions (I always ask myself if this is the proper place to ask, so point me another place if I'm wrong):
- Can the loadImage and lookLike messages of BotsInc support graphics
made in other graphical tools, like Inkscape, provided that they are in the proper format (jpeg, png, etc) ?
- I have seen the method Pica-Bot>>Bot>>private
morphic>>balloonFeedback and I'm trying to get different messages from the robot, for example:
| probar | probar := Bot new. probar setBallonText: ('Rin Rin renacuajo...') withCRs.
but this doesn't work, only if I change the message in the System Browser I get the desired behavior but I want a method for making the robots say different things.
Thanks for your help. The more I use Squeak, the more I'm convinced of their powerful embedded ideas and its impact on education.
Cheers,
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Hi Karl,
karl wrote:
BotsInc is maybe not the best in environment to do this experiment as it has lots of safeguards against the full Squeak IDE.
I have not found any real support for the thing you want to do in either Squeakland or OLPC image. If you want a quick solution you could try Scratch (http://scratch.mit.edu/) which has pretty good support for this kind of animation and talk bubbles.
Thanks for your quick answers. We have tried Scratch, but the programming options of a drag & drop syntax prevent us for using a lot of options of Squeak. This syntax is cool for beginning but at some point you reach the expressive barrier and you need a more flexible way (that already happen with etoys last semester and with Scratch at the beginning of this one). We have already accessed to the methods browser and we're even changing some of the default behavior of Bots Inc, for example the help bubbles of the robots (for the moment we're working only on translation), so I will keep trying with Bots Inc., so I will rephrase my question:
How can I change the default bubble message of an object (particularly a Bot) in a dynamic way... I mean without going every time to the methods browser ?
Sorry for being so stubborn... I learn a lot of the Squeak community all the time, but I think that dramabotics is not a so crazy idea If I can learn how to teach to speak and dress to the robots (actors).
Cheers,
Offray
Karl
Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote: Hi All,
This morning we talk in the etoys list about passing from etoys to Smalltalk using Bots Inc as a bridge and I proposed a project that I called "Dramabotics", the idea is to use Bots Inc for storytelling on local folklore. In this way, once the basic topics on etoys and Bots Inc were covered, we narrate some story where the actors are robots and etoys, making a bridge between programming and local folklore.
At this moment my class and me are starting to explore the Bots Inc environment for this and we have two questions (I always ask myself if this is the proper place to ask, so point me another place if I'm wrong):
- Can the loadImage and lookLike messages of BotsInc support graphics
made in other graphical tools, like Inkscape, provided that they are in the proper format (jpeg, png, etc) ?
- I have seen the method Pica-Bot>>Bot>>private
morphic>>balloonFeedback and I'm trying to get different messages from the robot, for example:
| probar | probar := Bot new. probar setBallonText: ('Rin Rin renacuajo...') withCRs.
but this doesn't work, only if I change the message in the System Browser I get the desired behavior but I want a method for making the robots say different things.
Thanks for your help. The more I use Squeak, the more I'm convinced of their powerful embedded ideas and its impact on education.
Cheers,
Offray
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Offray,
You can use
aMorph setBalloonText: 'some text'
to change the text displayed when you mouse over but the attached changeset probably does something closer to what you want. I loaded it into a BotsInc image and it seemed to work fine. From the comment in the changeset:
This changeset provides a somewhat generalized means of have a morph communicate. Right now the default(and only) implementation uses BalloonMorphs but the code is setup to use any object which understands #string:for:. Text-To-Speech should be pretty easy to implement. These methods provide options not available with showBalloon: which keeps the balloon onscreen until a mouse event occurs. Also showBalloon: clears any existing balloons so two morphs can't display balloons simultaneously with showBalloon:(see example below). No unit tests are provided but the following lines exercise the core capabilities.
e _ EllipseMorph new openInWorld. e sayHelp e say: 'something' e say: 'something' duration: 7 e after: 2 say: 'something' e after: 2 say: 'something' duration: 7
At some point the balloon morph could be returned so that it's contents and the duration it stays on screen could be tested.
b_ RectangleMorph new openInWorld b showBalloon: 'testing'.""is never seen"" e showBalloon: 'me too'
These speech balloons can be seen in action in videos herehttp://www.griotvision.com/background/gStickPresentationARR.movand here http://www.bopspace.com/how-to/space-hosting/(in Wonderland).
HTH,
Laurence
On 10/10/07, Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co wrote:
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Hi Karl,
karl wrote:
BotsInc is maybe not the best in environment to do this experiment as it has lots of safeguards against the full Squeak IDE.
I have not found any real support for the thing you want to do in either Squeakland or OLPC image. If you want a quick solution you could try Scratch (http://scratch.mit.edu/) which has pretty good support for this kind of animation and talk bubbles.
Thanks for your quick answers. We have tried Scratch, but the programming options of a drag & drop syntax prevent us for using a lot of options of Squeak. This syntax is cool for beginning but at some point you reach the expressive barrier and you need a more flexible way (that already happen with etoys last semester and with Scratch at the beginning of this one). We have already accessed to the methods browser and we're even changing some of the default behavior of Bots Inc, for example the help bubbles of the robots (for the moment we're working only on translation), so I will keep trying with Bots Inc., so I will rephrase my question:
How can I change the default bubble message of an object (particularly a Bot) in a dynamic way... I mean without going every time to the methods browser ?
Sorry for being so stubborn... I learn a lot of the Squeak community all the time, but I think that dramabotics is not a so crazy idea If I can learn how to teach to speak and dress to the robots (actors).
Cheers,
Offray
Karl
Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote: Hi All,
This morning we talk in the etoys list about passing from etoys to Smalltalk using Bots Inc as a bridge and I proposed a project that I called "Dramabotics", the idea is to use Bots Inc for storytelling on local folklore. In this way, once the basic topics on etoys and Bots Inc were covered, we narrate some story where the actors are robots and etoys, making a bridge between programming and local folklore.
At this moment my class and me are starting to explore the Bots Inc environment for this and we have two questions (I always ask myself if this is the proper place to ask, so point me another place if I'm
wrong):
- Can the loadImage and lookLike messages of BotsInc support graphics
made in other graphical tools, like Inkscape, provided that they are in the proper format (jpeg, png, etc) ?
- I have seen the method Pica-Bot>>Bot>>private
morphic>>balloonFeedback and I'm trying to get different messages from the robot, for example:
| probar | probar := Bot new. probar setBallonText: ('Rin Rin renacuajo...') withCRs.
but this doesn't work, only if I change the message in the System Browser I get the desired behavior but I want a method for making the robots say different things.
Thanks for your help. The more I use Squeak, the more I'm convinced of their powerful embedded ideas and its impact on education.
Cheers,
Offray
Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
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Great,
This is working too with Etoys putting this code in a script written with smalltalk. You just have to write self costume instead of self since in a script self will refer to the player and self costume will refer to the morph. as example:
self costume say: 'something'
If you add a parameter of type text (menu of script viewer) you can make an easy to use tile: object's say:abc.
If this script is in a sketchMorph or a playfield, it is easy to let children draw characters and let them tell stories with Etoys too.
-------- Message d'origine-------- De: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org de la part de Laurence Rozier Date: jeu. 11/10/2007 12:42 À: Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas Cc: squeakland@squeakland.org; stephane.ducasse@free.fr; etoys Objet : Re: [Squeakland] "dramabotics": Questions about using Bots Incforstorytelling
Offray,
You can use
aMorph setBalloonText: 'some text'
to change the text displayed when you mouse over but the attached changeset probably does something closer to what you want. I loaded it into a BotsInc image and it seemed to work fine. From the comment in the changeset:
This changeset provides a somewhat generalized means of have a morph communicate. Right now the default(and only) implementation uses BalloonMorphs but the code is setup to use any object which understands #string:for:. Text-To-Speech should be pretty easy to implement. These methods provide options not available with showBalloon: which keeps the balloon onscreen until a mouse event occurs. Also showBalloon: clears any existing balloons so two morphs can't display balloons simultaneously with showBalloon:(see example below). No unit tests are provided but the following lines exercise the core capabilities.
e _ EllipseMorph new openInWorld. e sayHelp e say: 'something' e say: 'something' duration: 7 e after: 2 say: 'something' e after: 2 say: 'something' duration: 7
At some point the balloon morph could be returned so that it's contents and the duration it stays on screen could be tested.
b_ RectangleMorph new openInWorld b showBalloon: 'testing'.""is never seen"" e showBalloon: 'me too'
These speech balloons can be seen in action in videos herehttp://www.griotvision.com/background/gStickPresentationARR.movand here http://www.bopspace.com/how-to/space-hosting/(in Wonderland).
HTH,
Laurence
On 10/10/07, Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co wrote:
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Hi Karl,
karl wrote:
BotsInc is maybe not the best in environment to do this experiment as it has lots of safeguards against the full Squeak IDE.
I have not found any real support for the thing you want to do in either Squeakland or OLPC image. If you want a quick solution you could try Scratch (http://scratch.mit.edu/) which has pretty good support for this kind of animation and talk bubbles.
Thanks for your quick answers. We have tried Scratch, but the programming options of a drag & drop syntax prevent us for using a lot of options of Squeak. This syntax is cool for beginning but at some point you reach the expressive barrier and you need a more flexible way (that already happen with etoys last semester and with Scratch at the beginning of this one). We have already accessed to the methods browser and we're even changing some of the default behavior of Bots Inc, for example the help bubbles of the robots (for the moment we're working only on translation), so I will keep trying with Bots Inc., so I will rephrase my question:
How can I change the default bubble message of an object (particularly a Bot) in a dynamic way... I mean without going every time to the methods browser ?
Sorry for being so stubborn... I learn a lot of the Squeak community all the time, but I think that dramabotics is not a so crazy idea If I can learn how to teach to speak and dress to the robots (actors).
Cheers,
Offray
Karl
Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote: Hi All,
This morning we talk in the etoys list about passing from etoys to Smalltalk using Bots Inc as a bridge and I proposed a project that I called "Dramabotics", the idea is to use Bots Inc for storytelling on local folklore. In this way, once the basic topics on etoys and Bots Inc were covered, we narrate some story where the actors are robots and etoys, making a bridge between programming and local folklore.
At this moment my class and me are starting to explore the Bots Inc environment for this and we have two questions (I always ask myself if this is the proper place to ask, so point me another place if I'm
wrong):
- Can the loadImage and lookLike messages of BotsInc support graphics
made in other graphical tools, like Inkscape, provided that they are in the proper format (jpeg, png, etc) ?
- I have seen the method Pica-Bot>>Bot>>private
morphic>>balloonFeedback and I'm trying to get different messages from the robot, for example:
| probar | probar := Bot new. probar setBallonText: ('Rin Rin renacuajo...') withCRs.
but this doesn't work, only if I change the message in the System Browser I get the desired behavior but I want a method for making the robots say different things.
Thanks for your help. The more I use Squeak, the more I'm convinced of their powerful embedded ideas and its impact on education.
Cheers,
Offray
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Laurence,
Thanks a lot for your help!!! :) I can not make test to the code this weekend because I will be out working in a free software Colombian event, but this will be first thing I will share with my students next week.
Thanks again and cheers,
Offray
Laurence Rozier wrote:
Offray,
You can use
aMorph setBalloonText: 'some text'
to change the text displayed when you mouse over but the attached changeset probably does something closer to what you want. I loaded it into a BotsInc image and it seemed to work fine. From the comment in the changeset:
This changeset provides a somewhat generalized means of have a morph communicate. Right now the default(and only) implementation uses BalloonMorphs but the code is setup to use any object which understands #string:for:. Text-To-Speech should be pretty easy to implement. These methods provide options not available with showBalloon: which keeps the balloon onscreen until a mouse event occurs. Also showBalloon: clears any existing balloons so two morphs can't display balloons simultaneously with showBalloon:(see example below). No unit tests are provided but the following lines exercise the core capabilities.
e _ EllipseMorph new openInWorld. e sayHelp e say: 'something' e say: 'something' duration: 7 e after: 2 say: 'something' e after: 2 say: 'something' duration: 7
At some point the balloon morph could be returned so that it's contents and the duration it stays on screen could be tested.
b_ RectangleMorph new openInWorld b showBalloon: 'testing'.""is never seen"" e showBalloon: 'me too'
These speech balloons can be seen in action in videos herehttp://www.griotvision.com/background/gStickPresentationARR.movand here http://www.bopspace.com/how-to/space-hosting/(in Wonderland).
HTH,
Laurence
On 10/10/07, Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas offray.luna@javeriana.edu.co wrote: Hi Karl,
karl wrote:
BotsInc is maybe not the best in environment to do this experiment as it has lots of safeguards against the full Squeak IDE.
I have not found any real support for the thing you want to do in either Squeakland or OLPC image. If you want a quick solution you could try Scratch (http://scratch.mit.edu/) which has pretty good support for this kind of animation and talk bubbles.
Thanks for your quick answers. We have tried Scratch, but the programming options of a drag & drop syntax prevent us for using a lot of options of Squeak. This syntax is cool for beginning but at some point you reach the expressive barrier and you need a more flexible way (that already happen with etoys last semester and with Scratch at the beginning of this one). We have already accessed to the methods browser and we're even changing some of the default behavior of Bots Inc, for example the help bubbles of the robots (for the moment we're working only on translation), so I will keep trying with Bots Inc., so I will rephrase my question:
How can I change the default bubble message of an object (particularly a Bot) in a dynamic way... I mean without going every time to the methods browser ?
Sorry for being so stubborn... I learn a lot of the Squeak community all the time, but I think that dramabotics is not a so crazy idea If I can learn how to teach to speak and dress to the robots (actors).
Cheers,
Offray
Karl
Offray Vladimir Luna Cardenas wrote: Hi All,
This morning we talk in the etoys list about passing from etoys to Smalltalk using Bots Inc as a bridge and I proposed a project that I called "Dramabotics", the idea is to use Bots Inc for storytelling on local folklore. In this way, once the basic topics on etoys and Bots Inc were covered, we narrate some story where the actors are robots and etoys, making a bridge between programming and local folklore.
At this moment my class and me are starting to explore the Bots Inc environment for this and we have two questions (I always ask myself if this is the proper place to ask, so point me another place if I'm
wrong):
- Can the loadImage and lookLike messages of BotsInc support graphics
made in other graphical tools, like Inkscape, provided that they are in the proper format (jpeg, png, etc) ?
- I have seen the method Pica-Bot>>Bot>>private
morphic>>balloonFeedback and I'm trying to get different messages from the robot, for example:
| probar | probar := Bot new. probar setBallonText: ('Rin Rin renacuajo...') withCRs.
but this doesn't work, only if I change the message in the System Browser I get the desired behavior but I want a method for making the robots say different things.
Thanks for your help. The more I use Squeak, the more I'm convinced of their powerful embedded ideas and its impact on education.
Cheers,
Offray
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