etoys-dev March 2009

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Re: [Etoys] Etoys Quick Guides
by Korakurider 20 Mar '09

20 Mar '09

Hi On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 4:04 AM, Ted Kaehler <Ted(a)vpri.org> wrote: > Rita, > After much discussion last year, we decided that Quick Guides > would not be translated in the normal Etoys way. The layout of the > text on the small pages of the Guides is important, and automatic > translation was not working well for that. > The way to translate is to copy a guide out of the flap with > the green handle, edit the text, and then save the current project > using the same name as the project. I then convert these to .sexp > format. Unconverted project files in the QuickGuides folder also > work. You can try out your new guides that way. > To use the guides in German, replace the QuickGuides folder > with a new one that has German guide projects in it. How about having language specific folder like QuickGuides/ja for translated guide files? then we could install/replace/customize localized guide in clean way. /Korakurider > > Bert, > Yes, I am the person who knows how to prepare guides for the > release. I make them in to .sexp files and put them in a folder. > You then commit the folder to SVN, and do the normal build process. > (I'll need to look at my notes and remember all of this.) > > --Ted. > > -- > Ted Kaehler > http://tedkaehler.weather-dimensions.com/us/ted/index.html > (home) 3261 Montecito Drive, Las Vegas, NV 89120. voice (702) 456-7930 > Like the morning sun you come, and like the wind you go. > Ain't no time to hate, > Barely time to wait, > Wa, oh, what I want to know, where does the time go? > -- Uncle John's Band, The Grateful Dead > _______________________________________________ > Etoys mailing list > Etoys(a)lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/etoys >

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[Etoys] Keeping user edited text when using "show code textually"
by Robert Hawley 19 Mar '09

19 Mar '09

I note that Etoys does not behave the same as Squeak's etoys in that, when selecting the "show code textually" option and editing the code, any user defined variable names are replaced by system generated names (t1 t2 t3 etc.). I see no gain in this behaviour - and it makes it harder to show people the relationship between tiles and real smalltalk code. If etoys is to lead to higher level teaching, this kind of restriction is not going to help! Can we revert to maintaining the text in the form typed by the user? Yours Bob

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Re: [Etoys] Opening a mp3 file
by luis ACEVEDO 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

Hi: Recently in the OLPC Sur list has appeared a problem with Etoys. When updating the version of Sugar (with a new Etoys vertion) this has ceased to play mp3 files. This is confusing and frustrating for most teachers as having learned how to use successfully Etoys for to play mp3 files in the Sugar build 656. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_QZnAgyWu_a0/SSXYcPrVaxI/AAAAAAAAAKs/h80CyfLNk-c/s… Now the same procedure does not produce the same results, just obtain the error message: Error: a primitive has failed Guardar / Abandonar / Depurar Ha ocurrido un error, lo más fácil ahora es abandonar. Lo sentimos!! Si depuro: MPEGFile class(Object)>> error: MPEGFile class(Object)>> primitiveFailed MPEGFile class>>PrimFileValidMPEG MPEGFile class>>isFileValidMPEG etc, etc... Is there any way to restore this functionality in the new version? Thanks in advance Pato Acevedo http://www.patricioacevedo.blogspot.com/ _________________________________________________________________ ¿Quieres saber cómo va a estar el clima mañana? ¡Ingresa ahora a MSN! http://tiempo.cl.msn.com/

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[Etoys] First stab at JournalMorph
by karl ramberg 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

I have put together a widget that is able to load pictures and sounds from the Journal on the XO. Work is slow because I have to do most programming in secure mode to see that what I'm doing is acctually working. Also some features like file reading are quite slow on the XO so the purpose of the widget is somewhat questionable... Or maybe it's just the way I did stuff that slows it down. The widget also saves SketchMorphs as pngs to the Journal by Drag'n droping a Sketch on it or by use of tile scripts. That is quite useful if Etoys is deployed as just a paint activity. Sound playing is just a hack at the moment. One issue that is slowing the widget down so it's almost unusable with big pictures is that the current player is diplayed as a thumbnail in the Viewer, and that operation takes a looong time. So, comments and suggestions are welcome. Karl

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Re: [Etoys] Etoys Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
by Ro 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

Hola! Hi everybody, I am Rosaura, from Florida Uruguay. I don`t speak english very well but I like to learning about Etoys. I´m a teacher at primary school, I like very much Etoys and Ì want to teach to muy children. Sorry for my english. A question: how can I open a zip file? ` Thank you :)

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[Etoys] [Fwd: Re: Etoys Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11]
by Rita Freudenberg 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [Etoys] Etoys Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 13:14:22 +0100 From: Ro <rosauraa(a)gmail.com> To: Rita Freudenberg <rita(a)isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> References: <mailman.33.1237305608.4188.etoys(a)lists.laptop.org> <622bff390903171720p28858f62yf3627603527cafb1(a)mail.gmail.com> <49C0AA5C.60609(a)isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de> Thank you! I have a book, it is compress, I download it on my XO. I want to unpack for read. The XO suggest me use Etoys but I don't now how. Greetings Rosaura -- Rita Freudenberg FIN-ISG Otto-von-Guericke-Universität Magdeburg http://isgwww.cs.uni-magdeburg.de/isg/rita.html

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Re: [Etoys] New issue tracker will only show first page of etoys issues
by Jerome Peace 18 Mar '09

18 Mar '09

Seems I for got to post this to the list: --- On Tue, 3/17/09, Jerome Peace <peace_the_dreamer(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > From: Jerome Peace <peace_the_dreamer(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [Etoys] New issue tracker will only show first page of etoys issues > To: "Timothy Falconer" <timothy(a)immuexa.com> > Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2009, 4:12 PM > Hi Tim, > > Burt's reply provided the clue that it was something I > was doing. > That provided the answer. I enabled cookies for the site > and got > past my difficulty. All works now as should. > > Thanks for your response. > > Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace > > > > > > Works fine here even when I am not logged in ... > what > > browser are you > > > using? > > > > > > - Bert - > > >

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[Etoys] New issue tracker will only show first page of etoys issues
by Jerome Peace 17 Mar '09

17 Mar '09

Hi all, As I started to browse the new Jira issue tracker, I found that trying to get beyond the first page never succeeds. Only etoys has more than 20 issues so the problem has probably not been noticed till now. The url http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?pager/start=20 gives the default page for http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa The problem seems that the '?pager/start=nn' doesn't get processed. Yours in curiosity and service, --Jerome Peace

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[Etoys] Etoys packaging (was: SugarPlatform-0.84.0 on Mandriva)
by Bert Freudenberg 16 Mar '09

16 Mar '09

On 16.03.2009, at 12:45, Aleksey Lim wrote: > On Mon, Mar 16, 2009 at 12:11:05PM +0100, Bert Freudenberg wrote: >> One minor issue I see with this packaging is that etoys is >> technically >> part of glucose, but you packaged it as part of fructose (as "etoys- >> activity"). If someone was to only install glucose then another >> etoys- >> based activity would not work. (if the whole platform is installed >> it's >> fine of course) >> >> I think the packaging Gavin did for Fedora is less confusing. He also >> has one package that provides both etoys and etoys-activity, but the >> package's name is "etoys". Not sure if the Fedora glucose package >> depends on this yet, but it could. > yup, its my old fault > but now, changing current behavior means reforming glucose/fructose > packages in 4(5) repos. > > As you mentioned it means nothing for non-tech users(they just install > meta-package) but has additional pro for tech users - if someone > develops > activity(which isn't etoys based) he could save time and not > downloading ~25M ;) > > -- > Aleksey Well, the major reason not to package it only as "sugar-etoys- activity" (which is obvious to me but I tend to forget not everyone knows this): Etoys does not actually depend on Sugar. It works fine as stand-alone application. The "sugar-toolkit" dependency should be removed--Etoys does not use the toolkit but talks to Sugar directly via D-Bus. It also only mimics the Sugar user interface (and we actually chose to use the same interface on other platforms too, for easier documentation). Instead, you might want to add a menu entry for normal desktop use (attaching the non-Sugar icon we typically use). And with a bit of fiddling we also might get the Firefox plugin to work, so kids can directly view the material at http://squeakland.org/ ... So an easy solution may be to add another package simply called "etoys", move everything except the stuff under /usr/share/sugar into that new package, and make "sugar-etoys-activity" depend on "etoys". OTOH the Etoys-activity is so small (it really only is a shell script with icons) that it might make sense to just include it in the "etoys" package as in Fedora now. I should mention that the activity and the base package are only loosely coupled. For most releases of "Etoys-activity" only the NEWS file changes, because it also lists the changes in the "etoys" base. Which might be a bad idea in hindsight. Another point to consider is that some activities (e.g., MIT's Scratch and OLE Nepal's E-Paath) do not actually depend on Etoys but just on the squeak-vm package that etoys depends on. I think that distinction has not been addressed yet (but then I am not even sure if it is indeed a problem). Fortunately nothing of this is really urgent - IIRC then Gavin only chose to stuff the activity into the main etoys package to avoid the delay inevitably incurred when asking for a new package to get in. I'm open to discussing all of this, and arranging upstream changes if this was helpful. Having non-Etoys developers repackaging our stuff is new territory for us, and I'm actually quite surprised how well you guys cope ;) Thanks! - Bert -

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[Etoys] [ANNOUNCE] FreeCell activity
by Bert Freudenberg 15 Mar '09

15 Mar '09

This weekend saw the annual meeting of the German Squeak association. One of the sessions on Sunday's "unconference" day was how to make Sugar activities using Squeak. Here is the example I made, a bit refined (the hardest part was actually to make a not-too-embarrassing icon in Inkscape): http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4054 If it works for anybody else, please report back so I can request that it be moved from the "sandbox" to the "public" area. Before that it won't show up in the "games" section. Just like the Etoys activity this depends on the etoys package being installed. So it should work on SoaS-1 already, and on SoaS-2 as soon as Sebastian figured out why etoys was not getting pulled in. It also should work fine on older versions, like OLPC's 8.2 release. The activity's purpose is foremost to demonstrate how to write a Squeak-based activity (on Sugar 0.84 use view-source to see the Smalltalk code), but it also is a fun game in its own right. - Bert -

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