On 2009-04-06 06:41, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
I did quite a bit more application testing (etoys) in 0.84. It looks very good to me overall. I did notice a few things that are etoys related, Some I could not duplicate though:
Reported etoys items
- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a
stick. In morph menus, missing "export" menu item between "siblings" and "extras". This is interesting because this item does exist in the Etoys 4.0 image downloaded from Tinlizzie http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/etoys-dev-40.zip. http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-212
XO uses the Journal and export is not integrated with it I guess
- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a
stick. Object Catalog->Multimedia->Camera does not show anything. This may be a problem with Sugar, not Etoys. http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-213
- [Etoys-Sugar-0.84-OLPC] Soas-2009040110. Played on OLPC from a
stick. No sound .using either -vm-sound-OSS or vm-sound-ALSA in /usr/bin/etoys. This seems problem with Sugar, not Etoys. The driver is loaded yet I do not hear any sound in any Sugar activities. http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-214
- I agree a Home button is needed. Already reported by Bert/Scott.
Sounds good.
Karl
Unreported etoys items (could not produce steps to duplicate)
- had a weird problem when renaming projects in the Sugar. (red name
over another project black name)
- Event Theatre, when recording complex process that included long
script building, did not replay correctly. Must have missed some events along the way.
Bert, I have a few more notes below inline.
On April 3, 2009, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 03.04.2009, at 08:36, Milan Zimmermann wrote:
ok, after fighting with virtualbox emulation (and eventually giving up), and incomplete SuSE Sugar version (also gave up, thanks Bert for suggestions there), I am testing Etoys in Sugar 0.84 installed on a stick right on the OLPC XO.
Yay!
:)
Over all Etoys on 0.84 look good, but I will have to do more testing this weekend, so far I see:
Sugar Interaction Problems
- If there are any Etoys activities in the Journal, the last actvity
is picked up when I start Etoys from the menu Circle. This way, I can never see Etoys initial screen. I think this is what Bert mentioned. It is really annoying behavior, I assume it changed because of some changes in the Sugar container. This is really the only item I would (personally) consider a bad bug / behaviour. Can anyone make a rough comment what would need to be done to change this?
Well, you can still open a fresh Etoys instance from the activities screen by moving your mouse to the Etoys icon, do not click but wait until the little black label appears, do still not click but wait until the label expands to a menu, and then click the "start" menu item.
But this is rather awkward, indeed. The best idea so far was to have a "home" button that would take you to the launcher screen:
yes, I agree this is a good addition to Sugar version after the changes.
- Etoys do not have Ctrl-Q / Ctrl-S for Quit / Save on the top right
Controls.
Not quite sure what you mean hear ...
I ment to say other Activities seems to have a Ctrl-Q shortcut for the "Stop" button and Ctrl-S to "Keep".
- In shared mode, on the "network screen", Etoys is listed as
"Gallery" (very minor)
Interesting ... it used to show "/usr/share/etoys/etoys.image":
actually it now shows the etoys project name which is reasonable. So maybe the bug can be closed. I looked at it when I worked with the Gallery of projects.
- when not connected to the network, and switching to shared mode, a
DBus Error Debug Screen appears.
That should be handled nicer indeed.
- There is no sound - but I think there is be no sound on the OLPC
running 0.84 from the stick
That might very well be this problem:
http://bugs.squeak.org/view.php?id=7328
If so, a workaround would be to switch to OSS in the /usr/bin/etoys script (add -vm-sound-OSS to the VM options).
I tried both OSS and ALSA, but none worked. The sound driver (ac97) is loaded but I have not heard any sound from any activity onnthe XO, including the speach activity. So I speculate it is Sugar 0.84 related. Documented in a bug just in case -
Etoys Problems (very little Etoys specific testing so far):
- sound does not work(Sugar/OLPC Hardware at fault?)
See above
- video does not work(?Sugar/Hardware at fault?)
For GStreamer you need a new VM, too. I think that's the only video option we have on Linux.
Where can I get the new VM .. I guess it is time to learn how to do that...
- Bert -
Milan
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