Bert Freudenberg wrote:
On 25.11.2009, at 18:48, Karl Ramberg wrote:
On 2009-11-25 10:59, Bert Freudenberg wrote:
There is a discussion underway on squeak-dev about refactoring Projects. Since we intend to eventually use this for Etoys, it would be good to join the fun now rather than deal with the fallout later.
Thread starts here: http://lists.squeak.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-November/141294.html
E.g. I'm not sure if in Etoys we want projects without a project view as Andreas suggested below.
- Bert -
The project views could be stored in the FileList/ProjectLoader and fetched from the nearest location. Then all/most portals to other worlds would have the same location.
I guess we have to deal with this issue if we want to use Etoys as a SlideShow/ PowerPoint thing eg. each page of a slide would be a project/page. Also a merge of BookMorph and Project when presenting would be interesting.
Karl
More fun with projects:
http://lists.squeak.org/pipermail/squeak-dev/2009-November/141382.html
Interesting stuff! And positive responses from squeak-dev folks so far, they generally like where this is going.
That's cool! I absolutely like what is going on there!
Rita
- Bert -
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From: Andreas Raab andreas.raab@gmx.de Date: 26. November 2009 05:25:39 MEZ To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [squeak-dev] Embracing Projects Reply-To: The general-purpose Squeak developers list squeak-dev@lists.squeakfoundation.org
Folks -
I always felt that one of the least used "big ideas" in Squeak is that of projects. Projects are incredibly powerful but have often been severely misunderstood. A Project in Squeak can define an entire environment (MVC, Morphic, Tweak), it can be a modification to an existing environment, it can identify a set of tools to be used in some context and more.
The progress that we've made with refactoring of class Project makes it feasible to illustrate the power of projects. If you install the attached change set in an updated trunk image, you will find a new type of project available - a GamesProject. When you choose this type of project you will notice that it downloads and installs the MorphicGames package that Edgar just announced (thanks Edgar!), sets up the environment with a set of games before launching into it. (note that I didn't go as far as setting up the menu bar with games, removing the tools, sealing the programmer facilities etc. but all of this is possible and should be considered for the various types of projects)
And of course, when we ship the next image, we could actually include a number of such "proto projects" like the GamesProject - it takes a tiny amount of space but makes it very accessible and very visible from an user point of view. As a conseqence, we can hopefully ship the next Squeak version with (proto-)Games, Etoys, VMMaker, Seaside and whatnot projects.
Thoughts?
Cheers,
- Andreas
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