Hi all,
I've been lazy in posting chat logs, sorry about that. I did ask the Sugarlabs folks to log the etoys channel too, though, so it might appear on http://jita.sugarlabs.org/ soonish ...
Anyway, we had a good discussion today, it helped that this Monday was a holiday in some places :)
We talked about:
* the upcoming release in general, which looks good, no blockers that are not easy to fix: http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&reque... * however, we discovered some issues with the windows installer * also, copy&paste of images
We should build a release candidate this week. That leaves us 2 weeks for testing before the actual release on Sep 27.
Full log below.
Hope to see you next Monday, at 12 noon Squeakland Time as usual:
- Bert -
<bander> hi <jecel> hello --> CaseyR (~caseyr@166.205.143.29) has joined #etoys <kencausey> Hi <bertf> hi <bertf> nice to see you all :) <bander> holiday :-) <CaseyR> How's the release coming? <bertf> we're a few days away from the first release candidate <bertf> no blockers at the moment <CaseyR> Right on! <bertf> bugs yes, but well :) <CaseyR> Heh <CaseyR> Aren't there always. <jecel> It is a holiday in Brazil as well (tomorrow, actually) so no class for me today <bertf> awesome. I figured someone might stop by :) <CaseyR> I'm loose of work, too:) <bertf> actually there are two blockers, but they are trivial to fix <bertf> http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&reque... <bertf> so no real obstacle to the release <bander> Do you need help with any of these? <bertf> looking ... <saijanai_> is squekland.org server down? <bertf> saijanai_: no, but I see only half of its contents <bertf> http://squeakland.org/ <kencausey> Who is responsible for that site now? <CaseyR> Looks like it's restarting to me. <bertf> bander: http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-779 or http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-778 look interesting and would be nice to have fixed <bertf> kencausey: still Immuexa / Tim Falconer <kencausey> ok <bertf> bander: incidentally, does copy/pasting images work under Windows? I never checked I think <bander> Not that I know of <bertf> bander: I though we had the ExtendedClipboardPlugin on Windows too <bander> It's not in http://squeakvm.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/trunk/platforms/win32/plugins/ <bander> Where would it be if not there? <bertf> maybe I misremember. It works on Mac and Unix. <bertf> hmm, Sophie surely supported it <bander> Probably all FFI hacks <kencausey> What is meant by 'copy and paste images'? What sort of image do we mean? <bander> Graphics <bertf> kencausey: bitmaps <kencausey> OK <kencausey> I think drag and drop works on Windows <bertf> kencausey: on the Mac I can get the halo on any object, type Cmd-C, switch apps and paste <kencausey> ah, so images out of Squeak... <bertf> and into, too. webbroser - copy - squeak - paste <bander> Yes, DnD of images works fine, but not C&P -*- bander is on a very slow connection it seems <bertf> on unix we can even drag objects out of squeak :) <bertf> used to work anyway, haven't checked in a while <bertf> so I don't know about C&P on Windows, I don't see a plugin in Sophie either. maybe they used FFI <bertf> another issues to work on would be loading fonts from file to make the image smaller, but I think it's too late for that in the release cycle <bertf> the code is in but not used yet <bander> Did you see my post in the trunk? <bertf> yes, was glad to see it :) <bertf> bander: testing the windows installer would be great too <bertf> http://etoys.squeak.org/download/ <bertf> it's only for alpha 1 so not the latest image but maybe check if you see something odd <bander> Will do but I can only run it on Win7; I don't have anything earlier. <bertf> as well as the beta-to-go which includes a windows VM too <bertf> bander: understood <bertf> korakurider did that one, hopefully it works :) <bertf> so the best thing if you want to help would be testing the beta <bertf> and see if anything terrible happens ;) <bander> I don't see an installer at http://etoys.squeak.org/download/ <bertf> the zip file with "win" in its name? <bertf> first one <bander> Oh, sorry. Was looking for something called "installer" :-) <bertf> ah. but zip is okay? <bander> I'll let you know once I downloaded it :-) -*- bertf doesn't know zilch about windows conventions <bertf> I did not have time yet to build a Mac installer <bertf> and for the linux distros other people are packaging it as part of Sugar :) <bander> bertf: The installer shouldn't be wrapped inside a zip; it should either be the .exe for the download or the .msi <bertf> okay <bertf> is it just ine file inside? <bander> Yup. <bander> EToysInstaller.exe <bertf> I see <bertf> capital T? <bander> Installer shows Apache-L only? <bander> No, lower-case t, i.e., EtoysInstaller.exe <bertf> ah, good :) --> scottwal (~scottwal@99-40-5-235.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net) has joined #etoys <bander> Seems to launch fine <bertf> should probably show http://etoys.squeak.org/svn/trunk/Etoys/NOTICE instead? <bander> Hm... <bander> Every time I launch it recomputes security keys; then has some flash of "PrimitiveFailed" <bertf> ugh, bad <bander> Fails to create a directory <bertf> cmd-shift-w <bertf> go back to top project <bander> fullPath: 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Etoys\Resources\andreas' <bertf> that does not look right <bertf> should be in home dir <bander> Looks like it's trying to write something into the installation directory <bertf> so secure directory is not set correctly <bander> Yes, looks like it; where is this stored? <bertf> don't know really :( <bertf> whereever apps store preferences? <bertf> you might try tghe Etoys 4 installer, this should use the same dirs <bander> In the registry? ;-) <bertf> argh, website bad http://squeakland.org/download/ <bertf> bander: no, cache files etc <bander> Okay, this is officially weird. <bander> I have *both* Etoys.exe as well as Etoys.app in C:\Program Files (x86)\Etoys <kencausey> \Documents and Settings{user}\Application Data? <bander> I.e., it looks like a complete duplicate install <bertf> FileWrite $0 "SecureDirectory=$"%APPDATA%\etoys$"$\r$\n" <bertf> FileWrite $0 "SecureDirectory=$"%USERPROFILE%\AppData\LocalLow\etoys$"$\r$\n" <bander> Let me try this from first principles, perhaps I had a version installed and it didn't like installing it on top of the prior version <bertf> those two lines are in the installer script <kencausey> LocalLow? <bander> I don't see an Etoys.ini anywhere <bertf> kencausey: may refer to vista security levels? I really have no idea though <bander> Yes, it does. The location is fine. <bander> There's just no Etoys.ini anywhere <bertf> bander: no idea. I dimly remember some discussion a tyear a go but didn't pay attention <bander> Yeah, the problem is clearly the missing Etoys.ini in the install. <bertf> okay <bander> And it doesn't like installing on top of a prior install. <bertf> it should leave the old install alone and install to an etoys41 folder <bertf> redirect the browser plugin to the new location of course <bertf> but otherwise keep the old working <bander> It did not install into etoys41; it installed into C:\Program Files (x86)\Etoys (where I already had an install) <bertf> well, Korakurider will read the log and respond I'm sure <bander> Then for the records: This is Win7 <bertf> yes we haven't really discussed what the behavior should be wrt the old versions <bertf> but I think not touching the old is better <bertf> on the mac it's going to be an "Etoys 4.1" folder <bertf> here's the old windows7 thread http://lists.squeakland.org/pipermail/etoys-dev/2009-March/003037.html <-- bander (~437d16b1@hubble.immuexa.com) has quit (Quit: CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) <bertf> well, thanks for testing! and thanks to everyone who came by here today :)