Hi! There is something I don't get the grip on after reading on the maillist. Is there a new GUI on it's way to replace Morph and originaly be inclused in the std image? In that case what is it called? Are there more intressting things to tell about it? Where to get more input?
Many thanks! Marcus
Tweak is the most likely successor to Morphic from what I read, Marcus.
It's currently being used as the basis for most if not all of the UI elements in Croquet.
Bob
Marcus Pedersén wrote:
Hi! There is something I don't get the grip on after reading on the maillist. Is there a new GUI on it's way to replace Morph and originaly be inclused in the std image? In that case what is it called? Are there more intressting things to tell about it? Where to get more input?
Hey Marcus,
There are currently three things available for doing GUI, there is Morph, Tweak, MVC and wxWidgets. For the web there is seaside.
I can't tell you much about morph, I've played with it some and although it's fun I dont consider myself expert enough to help. Take a look on the list archives about morph tutorials for more info: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/beginners/2006-May/thread.html
Tweak is a major rewrite of Morph http://tweak.impara.de/ but it's not ready yet but it's worth looking at esp if it ends up being a major part of croquet http://www.opencroquet.org/index.html .
Here's a nice piece about MVC
http://www-static.cc.gatech.edu/classes/cs2390_98_fall/slides/ui/outline.htm l
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller is a nice explanation of MVC.
I'm sure others could help with MVC demos.
For wxSqueak see: http://www.wxsqueak.org/
And I suggest using http://wxglade.sourceforge.net/ for building the UI.
For seaside which is a web continuations framework and UI builder see: http://www.seaside.st/ . Seaside is really cool!
That's a lot of info so if you have questions feel free to ask. It's difficult to address the question what you should use. I believe that most Squeakers prefer Morph to MVC. There doesn't seem to be a consensus about if Tweak will replace Morph, Seaside is great for the web, and I like wxWidgets for native look and feel.
Don't forget there are commercial products IBM's visualAge product, and Cincom's VisualWorks. The UI builder for VW is very nice I was very happy with how flexible it is, the UI for visualAge is a bit funky with some strange connectors but once you get it its very cool too. Some people swear by IBM's UI builder and the integration with Eclipse is a nice plus. But that's not Squeak so it's beyond your question.
I hope that helps!
Happy Coding,
Ron Teitelbaum President / Principal Software Engineer US Medical Record Specialists Ron@USMedRec.com
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Pedersén Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:48 PM To: Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Is there something new coming after Morph?
Hi! There is something I don't get the grip on after reading on the maillist. Is there a new GUI on it's way to replace Morph and originaly be inclused in the std image? In that case what is it called? Are there more intressting things to tell about it? Where to get more input?
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Ok so I can't count! You know I started with three and kept adding on!
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Ron
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Hey Marcus,
There are currently three things available for doing GUI, there is Morph, Tweak, MVC and wxWidgets. For the web there is seaside.
I can't tell you much about morph, I've played with it some and although it's fun I dont consider myself expert enough to help. Take a look on the list archives about morph tutorials for more info: http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/pipermail/beginners/2006-May/thread.html
Tweak is a major rewrite of Morph http://tweak.impara.de/ but it's not ready yet but it's worth looking at esp if it ends up being a major part of croquet http://www.opencroquet.org/index.html .
Here's a nice piece about MVC
http://www- static.cc.gatech.edu/classes/cs2390_98_fall/slides/ui/outline.htm l
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model-view-controller is a nice explanation of MVC.
I'm sure others could help with MVC demos.
For wxSqueak see: http://www.wxsqueak.org/
And I suggest using http://wxglade.sourceforge.net/ for building the UI.
For seaside which is a web continuations framework and UI builder see: http://www.seaside.st/ . Seaside is really cool!
That's a lot of info so if you have questions feel free to ask. It's difficult to address the question what you should use. I believe that most Squeakers prefer Morph to MVC. There doesn't seem to be a consensus about if Tweak will replace Morph, Seaside is great for the web, and I like wxWidgets for native look and feel.
Don't forget there are commercial products IBM's visualAge product, and Cincom's VisualWorks. The UI builder for VW is very nice I was very happy with how flexible it is, the UI for visualAge is a bit funky with some strange connectors but once you get it its very cool too. Some people swear by IBM's UI builder and the integration with Eclipse is a nice plus. But that's not Squeak so it's beyond your question.
I hope that helps!
Happy Coding,
Ron Teitelbaum President / Principal Software Engineer US Medical Record Specialists Ron@USMedRec.com
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Marcus Pedersén Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 2:48 PM To: Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Is there something new coming after Morph?
Hi! There is something I don't get the grip on after reading on the maillist. Is there a new GUI on it's way to replace Morph and originaly be inclused in the std image? In that case what is it called? Are there more intressting things to tell about it? Where to get more input?
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