Can one use Squeak to build and sell applications? My wife is a musician and has some ideas for a Music Theory Application and asked if I could build it. The choices seem to be between Squeak and VisualWorks.
If one built an application with Squeak are there tools for packaging it so that you only ship executables and not the entire development environment?
Thanks for any information you can provide.
Rene'
Hi:
Obviously, you can.
But, VW have tools and things to make easy the development and deploy. Some thing, like UIPaint, don't have your replacement in Squeak, but I don't find any stopper to develop in Squeak.
The only point to review is this: Your application always will be in a World (Squeak Enviroment),
Here you are some tips. First Tip: make 2 images, one for development and other to production. In the production Image only load your needed package. When finish you development make a file out or use Monticello to export your classes to you production image. Second Tip: You can package your images like Lukas Reggie do in Seaside One lick. Third Tip: You can customize the UI in your application like mac with Pinesoft package.
Regards
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 10:08 PM, RENE PLOURDE realpepe@mac.com wrote:
Can one use Squeak to build and sell applications? My wife is a musician and has some ideas for a Music Theory Application and asked if I could build it. The choices seem to be between Squeak and VisualWorks.
If one built an application with Squeak are there tools for packaging it so that you only ship executables and not the entire development environment?
Thanks for any information you can provide.
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"Diogenes Moreira" diogenes.moreira@gmail.com wrote in message
You can package your images like Lukas Reggie do in Seaside One lick.
Can this be made to run headless? Presumably I have to compile from some source ... where might I find more info?
Thanks - Sophie
I don't think you have to compile anything, unless their isn't a prebuilt VM for your platform.
On Unix, to start headless you use:
squeak -headless squeak.image
If you Google Squeak headless you'll see lots of hits.
On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 3:36 AM, itsme213 itsme213@hotmail.com wrote:
"Diogenes Moreira" diogenes.moreira@gmail.com wrote in message
You can package your images like Lukas Reggie do in Seaside One lick.
Can this be made to run headless? Presumably I have to compile from some source ... where might I find more info?
Thanks - Sophie
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Hello RENE,
RP> Can one use Squeak to build and sell applications? My wife is a
definitely yes. License situation is a bit murky but several companies do this already.
RP> musician and has some ideas for a Music Theory Application and asked RP> if I could build it. The choices seem to be between Squeak and RP> VisualWorks. Get yourself an older Squeak (Squeak 3.6) which has several Music related projects in it. All musical artefacts I tried (Morphs) are fine and work in 3.8.2 (haven't tried newer images with music).
RP> If one built an application with Squeak are there tools for packaging RP> it so that you only ship executables and not the entire development RP> environment?
No. There is an old but still workable changeset to disable programmers facilities but otherwise all you could do is grab one of the minimal images around, load your app and use that to deploy.
Personally I wouldn't, in todays standards Squeak is rather lean.
What you can easily do is get rid of sources and changes files.
If protection is why you want to ship without development environment: I think it should be possible to do remote debugging on any Squeak image without loading it and I guess this holds true for commercial Smalltalks too.
But these are imho questions to answer after developing the app.
Cheers
Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net
On Mar 7, 2008, at 18:05 , Herbert König wrote:
Hello RENE,
RP> Can one use Squeak to build and sell applications? My wife is a
definitely yes. License situation is a bit murky but several companies do this already.
IMHO there was never a question if Squeak can be used commercially. The licensing problems are with getting from being free and open source to being Free and Open Source.
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Hello Bert,
BF> IMHO there was never a question if Squeak can be used commercially. BF> The licensing problems are with getting from being free and open BF> source to being Free and Open Source.
I was not referring to the current discussion but iirc we had discussions (not only the by now resolved apple fonts discussion) about license issues for commercial use of Squeak. Personally I think it's safe to do so.
Cheers
Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net
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