Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
Good luck. Aleksej
Hello Aleksej,
I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to start with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting of to change the world.
There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager. It's job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts (when two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and is updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or automatically when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it in your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects, store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
How-to!
On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added to your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://foo.com/bar' user: 'squeak' password: 'squeak'
you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested in. For example
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography' user: '' password: ''
if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them to the string.
After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open button. This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a good starting point.
When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it. Select the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept it.
There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is interested.
Hope that helps,
Happy coding
Ron Teitelbaum President / Principal Software Engineer US Medical Record Specialists Ron@USMedRec.com
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Aleksej Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM To: beginners-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
Good luck. Aleksej
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Hi,
last year I was tutoring a university course starting with Squeak. There the students had to use Monticello and subversion too. I collected a few links and wrote some Tutorials by myself:
Here they are:
http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/Squeak/Monticello http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Educasse/Teaching/CoursAnnecy/0506-M1-OOP/
And my Tutorial is attached (right now I have no place to put it, sorry, but the file is not that large), but it is in written in german language. I don't now whether it is usefull for you or anybody except germans ;)
best regards,
Patty
Ron Teitelbaum schrieb:
Hello Aleksej,
I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to start with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting of to change the world.
There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager. It's job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts (when two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and is updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or automatically when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it in your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects, store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
How-to!
On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added to your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://foo.com/bar' user: 'squeak' password: 'squeak'
you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested in. For example
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography' user: '' password: ''
if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them to the string.
After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open button. This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a good starting point.
When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it. Select the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept it.
There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is interested.
Hope that helps,
Happy coding
Ron Teitelbaum President / Principal Software Engineer US Medical Record Specialists Ron@USMedRec.com
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Aleksej Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM To: beginners-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
Good luck. Aleksej
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Hi all,
Patty thanks a lot for your links a tutorial (It's a shame that I don't understand German :-/ ). ¿Do you have the "sources" of the pdf ones?. ¿Are they licensed in a way that gives permission for redistribution and change (for example under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike License)?
Thanks a lot,
Offray
peppermint-patty escribió:
Hi,
last year I was tutoring a university course starting with Squeak. There the students had to use Monticello and subversion too. I collected a few links and wrote some Tutorials by myself:
Here they are:
http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/Squeak/Monticello http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Educasse/Teaching/CoursAnnecy/0506-M1-OOP/
And my Tutorial is attached (right now I have no place to put it, sorry, but the file is not that large), but it is in written in german language. I don't now whether it is usefull for you or anybody except germans ;)
best regards,
Patty
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Hi Offray,
the sources of this tutorial (you mean i.e. the Open Office document that is editable?) are free too, I think. But to make sure whether I am right, I have to ask somebody. But why do you need them?
Patty
Offray Vladimir Luna Cárdenas schrieb:
Hi all,
Patty thanks a lot for your links a tutorial (It's a shame that I don't understand German :-/ ). ¿Do you have the "sources" of the pdf ones?. ¿Are they licensed in a way that gives permission for redistribution and change (for example under a Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike License)?
Thanks a lot,
Offray
peppermint-patty escribió:
Hi,
last year I was tutoring a university course starting with Squeak. There the students had to use Monticello and subversion too. I collected a few links and wrote some Tutorials by myself:
Here they are:
http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ http://minnow.cc.gatech.edu/Squeak/Monticello http://www.iam.unibe.ch/%7Educasse/Teaching/CoursAnnecy/0506-M1-OOP/
And my Tutorial is attached (right now I have no place to put it, sorry, but the file is not that large), but it is in written in german language. I don't now whether it is usefull for you or anybody except germans ;)
best regards,
Patty
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Hi Patty,
peppermint-p escribió:
Hi Offray,
the sources of this tutorial (you mean i.e. the Open Office document that is editable?) are free too, I think. But to make sure whether I am right, I have to ask somebody. But why do you need them?
Patty
Yep, I'm meaning the OpenOffice editable sources of the pdf files. I need them because I'm using Squeak in my classes in Colombia and having spanish material would be fine for teaching purposes and talks locally. So, if you can help me with that sources, that would be a lot of help.
Thanks,
Offray
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Thank you so much for this write-up, Ron!
I've used Monticello a few times just to get other people's published packages, yet everytime I need to get into it I get a bit of a sinking feeling :-( I really like what the tool does under the covers, but don't find the UI intuitive (for an irregular user like me) and have to stop and re-think what I learned each time.
May I suggest this go on http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ ? Hope the UI in a future version can be made a bit less intimidating to newbie users.
Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Teitelbaum" Ron@USMedRec.com To: "'Aleksej'" almih99@mail.ru; "'A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questionsaboutSqueak.'" beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: RE: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
Hello Aleksej,
I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to start with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting of to change the world.
There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager. It's job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts (when two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and is updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or automatically when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it in your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects, store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
How-to!
On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added to your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://foo.com/bar' user: 'squeak' password: 'squeak'
you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested in. For example
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography' user: '' password: ''
if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them to the string.
After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open button. This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a good starting point.
When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it. Select the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept it.
There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is interested.
Hope that helps,
Happy coding
Ron Teitelbaum President / Principal Software Engineer US Medical Record Specialists Ron@USMedRec.com
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Aleksej Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM To: beginners-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
Good luck. Aleksej
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
There are a lot of tools in Squeak, that are not very intutiv and userfriendly designed, a lot of the system itself is difficult to use if you are not used to it. Hopefully we can redesign this tools any day, maybe next year ;) We will see...
Patty
itsme213 schrieb:
Thank you so much for this write-up, Ron!
I've used Monticello a few times just to get other people's published packages, yet everytime I need to get into it I get a bit of a sinking feeling :-( I really like what the tool does under the covers, but don't find the UI intuitive (for an irregular user like me) and have to stop and re-think what I learned each time.
May I suggest this go on http://www.wiresong.ca/Monticello/ ? Hope the UI in a future version can be made a bit less intimidating to newbie users.
Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Teitelbaum" Ron@USMedRec.com To: "'Aleksej'" almih99@mail.ru; "'A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questionsaboutSqueak.'" beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:52 AM Subject: RE: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
Hello Aleksej,
I think it is a very good question. I would encourage all newbies to start with Monticello and learn about how to organize their work before starting of to change the world.
There are a few things to understand about Monticello first. The most important thing about Monticello is that it is a code version manager. It's job is to store versions, retrieve the latest version, find conflicts (when two programmers change the same source), and to show history and code branches. What it does not do is organize your code, solve conflicts (thought it does provide tools for you to do it), save your code for you (don't laugh ENVY does!), or replace proper workflow.
There are different types of repositories. For this discussion let's just talk about package-cache and http. Package-cache is created for you and is updated when you load new packages, (like from squeakmap), or automatically when you save Monticello packages. It is file based and you can find it in your squeak directory on your computer. Http repositories are like www.squeaksource.com . It is a shared area where you can define projects, store your code, share it with others if you want and post to squeakmap.
How-to!
On the world menu select open.. > Monticello browser. This opens up the Monticello browser. What you will see is packages that are already added to your browser. There are many packages added by default. For each package on the left you will see repositories on the right. Packages can be in multiple repositories. If you think of code branches this makes sense.
To add a package from an Http repository you should unclick the package on the left, then press the +Repository button. Now select the Http type repository. This brings up a string that looks like this:
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://foo.com/bar' user: 'squeak' password: 'squeak'
you should replace the foo.com/bar with the repository you are interested in. For example
MCHttpRepository location: 'http://www.squeaksource.com/Cryptography' user: '' password: ''
if you have a user name and password on squeaksource then you can add them to the string.
After accepting your new repository definition you can hit the open button. This will show you packages that live inside the repository. In the repository browser you will see packages on the left and version on the right. You can select one of the package versions and browse it, or view a history, or see changes, or load it, and other things too but that's a good starting point.
When you are make a change to a package, back on the regular Monticello browser you will see an asterisk (*) before the package name. If you want to update the repository with your new version, you need to save it. Select the package and the repository you want to save too and press save. You should always type in some notes as to what change you made then accept it.
There is more, like working in a clean image, upgrading images, using Monticello configurations, running your own squeaksource image, version numbering, or how to handle conflicts. There is good documentation about these things available on-line but we could talk about those if anyone is interested.
Hope that helps,
Happy coding
Ron Teitelbaum President / Principal Software Engineer US Medical Record Specialists Ron@USMedRec.com
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Aleksej Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 12:08 PM To: beginners-request@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Monticello -- where is it?
Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
Good luck. Aleksej
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
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have a look at my videos:
http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/Videos/
they show step by step how to create a package and publish code on sqeuaksource using Monticello
stef On 12 sept. 06, at 18:08, Aleksej wrote:
Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
Good luck. Aleksej
Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Aleksej wrote:
Hello
May be a silly question. The are about hundred classes in "Monticello-xxx" categories. But how to use it? What is "Monticello browser" and how to run it?
After it is installed, to run: left-click to get World Menu Select Open... Select Monticello Browser
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