Hi list, I want to know if I can develop and deploy an application in squeak, charging the client with the cost of the development? Regards Esteban
May be the subject deserves more explanation. I'm working with squeak and seaside for one of my clients. After I have decided to implement the system in squeak and seaside one question come up to my mind. Is there any restrictions in the use of squeak for commercial purpose. I dont understand well the apple license. I hope someone help me Regards Esteban
On 8/15/06, Esteban Robles Luna esteban.roblesluna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi list, I want to know if I can develop and deploy an application in squeak, charging the client with the cost of the development? Regards Esteban
Esteban,
The simple answer to your question is you are free to do with squeak anything you want.
The long answer is your mileage may very since I'm not a lawyer and I'm not giving you any legal advice. So if you are concerned you should contact a lawyer.
You would not be the first one to be concerned about the squeakL from apple. The community working hard to change that and we have made some progress. The most likely outcome is http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/2.0.txt . But the community was mostly interested in MIT: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
Read carefully,
I hope that helps!
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Robles Luna Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:54 PM To: Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Re: license
May be the subject deserves more explanation. I'm working with squeak and seaside for one of my clients. After I have decided to implement the system in squeak and seaside one question come up to my mind. Is there any restrictions in the use of squeak for commercial purpose. I dont understand well the apple license. I hope someone help me Regards Esteban
On 8/15/06, Esteban Robles Luna esteban.roblesluna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi list, I want to know if I can develop and deploy an application in squeak, charging the client with the cost of the development? Regards Esteban
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Hi, I'm reading the squeak licence, and there are several points tha I don't fully understand.
"2. Permitted Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to copy, install and use the Apple Software on an unlimited number of computers under your direct control. You may modify and create derivative works of the Apple Software ("Modified Software"), however, you may not modify or create derivative works of the fonts provided by Apple ("Fonts"). ..."
************** By "Fonts" it refers to the source of squeak? to the image? to the original clases? **************
"...You may distribute and sublicense such Modified Software only under the terms of a valid, binding license that makes no representations or warranties on behalf of Apple, and is no less protective of Apple and Apple's rights than this License. You may distribute and sublicense the Fonts only as a part of and for use with Modified Software, and not as a part of or for use with Modified Software that is distributed or sublicensed for a fee or for other valuable consideration...."
************** I cannot distribute the fonts if I charge my client for it?, again, fonts = ?? **************
"...If the Modified Software contains modifications, overwrites, replacements, deletions, additions, or ports to new platforms of: (1) the methods of existing class objects or their existing relationships, or (2) any part of the virtual machine, then for so long as the Modified Software is distributed or sublicensed to others, such modified, overwritten, replaced, deleted, added and ported portions of the Modified Software must be made publicly available, preferably by means of download from a website, at no charge under the terms set forth in Exhibit A below. ..."
************** "Modified Software" reffers to modification to the fonts? For example if I modify the Class Object, I must do it public, but, and here is my question, if I extend Object whith my own class, must I do it publict or no? **************
"...You may transfer your rights under this License provided you transfer this License and a copy of the Apple Software to a party who agrees to accept the terms of this License and destroy any other copies of the Apple Software in your possession. Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License."
On 8/15/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Esteban,
The simple answer to your question is you are free to do with squeak anything you want.
The long answer is your mileage may very since I'm not a lawyer and I'm not giving you any legal advice. So if you are concerned you should contact a lawyer.
You would not be the first one to be concerned about the squeakL from apple. The community working hard to change that and we have made some progress. The most likely outcome is http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/2.0.txt . But the community was mostly interested in MIT: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
Read carefully,
I hope that helps!
Ron
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Robles Luna Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:54 PM To: Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Re: license
May be the subject deserves more explanation. I'm working with squeak and seaside for one of my clients. After I have decided to implement the system in squeak and seaside one question come up to my mind. Is there any restrictions in the use of squeak for commercial purpose. I dont understand well the apple license. I hope someone help me Regards Esteban
On 8/15/06, Esteban Robles Luna esteban.roblesluna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi list, I want to know if I can develop and deploy an application in squeak, charging the client with the cost of the development? Regards Esteban
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In fact in earlier version of Squeak Apple fonts were used. So now this clause does not hold anymore.
Hi, I'm reading the squeak licence, and there are several points tha I don't fully understand.
:)
"2. Permitted Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to copy, install and use the Apple Software on an unlimited number of computers under your direct control. You may modify and create derivative works of the Apple Software ("Modified Software"), however, you may not modify or create derivative works of the fonts provided by Apple ("Fonts"). ..."
By "Fonts" it refers to the source of squeak? to the image? to the original clases?
"...You may distribute and sublicense such Modified Software only under the terms of a valid, binding license that makes no representations or warranties on behalf of Apple, and is no less protective of Apple and Apple's rights than this License. You may distribute and sublicense the Fonts only as a part of and for use with Modified Software, and not as a part of or for use with Modified Software that is distributed or sublicensed for a fee or for other valuable consideration...."
I cannot distribute the fonts if I charge my client for it?, again, fonts = ??
"...If the Modified Software contains modifications, overwrites, replacements, deletions, additions, or ports to new platforms of: (1) the methods of existing class objects or their existing relationships, or (2) any part of the virtual machine, then for so long as the Modified Software is distributed or sublicensed to others, such modified, overwritten, replaced, deleted, added and ported portions of the Modified Software must be made publicly available, preferably by means of download from a website, at no charge under the terms set forth in Exhibit A below. ..."
"Modified Software" reffers to modification to the fonts? For example if I modify the Class Object, I must do it public, but, and here is my question, if I extend Object whith my own class, must I do it publict or no?
Basically the point is that if you improve the system you should normally give it to the community but nobody will check your harddisk. However if you fix something and help improving squeak then the next time it will be fixed and better :)
"...You may transfer your rights under this License provided you transfer this License and a copy of the Apple Software to a party who agrees to accept the terms of this License and destroy any other copies of the Apple Software in your possession. Your rights under this License will terminate automatically without notice from Apple if you fail to comply with any term(s) of this License."
On 8/15/06, Ron Teitelbaum Ron@usmedrec.com wrote:
Esteban,
The simple answer to your question is you are free to do with squeak anything you want.
The long answer is your mileage may very since I'm not a lawyer and I'm not giving you any legal advice. So if you are concerned you should contact a lawyer.
You would not be the first one to be concerned about the squeakL from apple. The community working hard to change that and we have made some progress. The most likely outcome is http://www.opensource.apple.com/apsl/ 2.0.txt . But the community was mostly interested in MIT: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/mit-license.php
Read carefully,
I hope that helps!
Ron
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Luna
Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 1:54 PM To: Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Subject: [Newbies] Re: license
May be the subject deserves more explanation. I'm working with squeak and seaside for one of my clients. After I have decided to implement the system in squeak and seaside one question come up to my mind. Is there any restrictions in the
use of
squeak for commercial purpose. I dont understand well the apple license. I hope someone help me Regards Esteban
On 8/15/06, Esteban Robles Luna esteban.roblesluna@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi list, I want to know if I can develop and deploy an application in
squeak,
charging the client with the cost of the development? Regards Esteban
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Basically the point is that if you improve the system you should normally give it to the community but nobody will check your harddisk. However if you fix something and help improving squeak then the next time it will be fixed and better :)
Ok, don't worry if I do any usefull tool it will apear in any repository :).
thakns.
Thanks for the reply. The only problem I found with squeak is that morphic system is far away from what a user expect a UI to be. Is there any chance of implement a MVC with look and feel? I have seen that you can create a MVC project, but widgets are not like OS widgets. Another question I have is which is the class that "setup" the environment. The one who creates the main window. Esteban
On 8/15/06, Chiara muralito@gmail.com wrote:
Basically the point is that if you improve the system you should normally give it to the community but nobody will check your harddisk. However if you fix something and help improving squeak then the next time it will be fixed and better :)
Ok, don't worry if I do any usefull tool it will apear in any repository :).
thakns.
-- Saludos Chiara
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Hi Esteban,
Check out wxSqueak which uses wxWidgets. http://www.wxsqueak.org/
You should consider using Glade to build your interface: http://wxglade.sourceforge.net/
You already know about seaside.
Hope that helps!
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: beginners-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:beginners- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Esteban Robles Luna Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2006 8:42 PM To: A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions aboutSqueak. Subject: Re: [Newbies] Re: license
Thanks for the reply. The only problem I found with squeak is that morphic system is far away from what a user expect a UI to be. Is there any chance of implement a MVC with look and feel? I have seen that you can create a MVC project, but widgets are not like OS widgets. Another question I have is which is the class that "setup" the environment. The one who creates the main window. Esteban
On 8/15/06, Chiara muralito@gmail.com wrote:
Basically the point is that if you improve the system you should normally give it to the community but nobody will check your harddisk. However if you fix something and help improving squeak then the next time it will be fixed and better :)
Ok, don't worry if I do any usefull tool it will apear in any repository
:).
thakns.
-- Saludos Chiara
"Peace cannot be kept by force; it can only be achieved by
understanding."
Albert Einstein _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
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Chiara wrote:
Hi, I'm reading the squeak licence, and there are several points tha I don't fully understand.
"2. Permitted Uses and Restrictions. This License allows you to copy, install and use the Apple Software on an unlimited number of computers under your direct control. You may modify and create derivative works of the Apple Software ("Modified Software"), however, you may not modify or create derivative works of the fonts provided by Apple ("Fonts"). ..."
By "Fonts" it refers to the source of squeak? to the image? to the original clases?
In my opinion, by Fonts, they refer to Fonts as in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonts
Can somebody confirm ?
By "Fonts" it refers to the source of squeak? to the image? to the original clases?
In my opinion, by Fonts, they refer to Fonts as in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonts
Can somebody confirm ?
jeje yes, I don't realize that until it was to late (the mail was sent).
Thanks anyway
Basically I know a lot of companies doing money with Squeak so there is no problem. I wish you a lot of success! We need a lot of companies developing in Squeak. The system will then improve.
Stef
On 15 août 06, at 19:53, Esteban Robles Luna wrote:
May be the subject deserves more explanation. I'm working with squeak and seaside for one of my clients. After I have decided to implement the system in squeak and seaside one question come up to my mind. Is there any restrictions in the use of squeak for commercial purpose. I dont understand well the apple license. I hope someone help me Regards Esteban
On 8/15/06, Esteban Robles Luna esteban.roblesluna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi list, I want to know if I can develop and deploy an application in squeak, charging the client with the cost of the development? Regards Esteban
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