I am old to squeak but new to unix systems.
I have been able to install etoys successfully from the squeakland web site. And I have been able to download and unpack zip files for etoys-dev and squeak 3.10.2 from archives. The files are in a personal home directory.
I am ignorant in how to tell my Ubuntu 8.04 system how to connect an image file with a squeak vm. (E.G. the vm that runs the installed etoys for example.)
What do I need to know?
Any wisdom, help or clues will be appreciated.
Yours in curiosity, --Jerome Peace
On Wednesday 25 Mar 2009 11:49:12 am Jerome Peace wrote:
I am ignorant in how to tell my Ubuntu 8.04 system how to connect an image file with a squeak vm. (E.G. the vm that runs the installed etoys for example.)
Right click on the squeak image and select properties. You will get a multi-sheet dialog where you can add squeak as the app for this type of file, its icon etc.
Ubuntu desktop manager used mime specs and *.desktop files to associate applications with filetypes. See sec 5.5. in http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.26/
HTH .. Subbu
I use the one-click distributions to have a Squeak (or Pharo) that I can move from Ubuntu, Windows, and Mac.
It includes a Squeak.sh (or Pharo.sh) that is as follows:
#!/bin/sh APP=`dirname $0` EXE="$APP/Contents/Linux686" RES="$APP/Contents/Resources"
exec "$EXE/squeak" -plugins "$EXE" \ -encoding latin1 \ -vm-display-X11 -swapbtn \ "$RES/pharo.image"
Google 'one click squeak' or 'one click pharo' for more info.
The term one-click image is a misnomer, since the one-click distribution is all about arranging the VM and plug-ins in a directory structure that allows the Unix, Windows, and Mac VMs to coexist and point to the same image and changes file.
Of course, the image and changes file can be swapped with your own. Either edit the files that point to them or rename them.
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 4:49 AM, K. K. Subramaniam subbukk@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday 25 Mar 2009 11:49:12 am Jerome Peace wrote:
I am ignorant in how to tell my Ubuntu 8.04 system how to connect an image file with a squeak vm. (E.G. the vm that runs the installed etoys for example.)
Right click on the squeak image and select properties. You will get a multi-sheet dialog where you can add squeak as the app for this type of file, its icon etc.
Ubuntu desktop manager used mime specs and *.desktop files to associate applications with filetypes. See sec 5.5. in http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.26/
HTH .. Subbu
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Ah a clue.
Thanks. I've started looking. Ran into information overload and linux techno Greek (geek?). Too much for my mac coddled mind to take in a first go. Will try some more later.
Ah, on my old mac I never had to do more than guess which application file I needed to drop my image file on. Sigh.
Tanstaafl, or translated you can get free software, but there's a price.
Thanks for your help.
Yours in curiosity and puzzlement, --Jerome Peace
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, K. K. Subramaniam subbukk@gmail.com wrote:
From: K. K. Subramaniam subbukk@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Newbies] Setting up a squeak on a Ubuntu system To: peace_the_dreamer@yahoo.com, "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak." beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:49 AM On Wednesday 25 Mar 2009 11:49:12 am Jerome Peace wrote:
I am ignorant in how to tell my Ubuntu 8.04 system how
to connect an image
file with a squeak vm. (E.G. the vm that runs the
installed etoys for
example.)
Right click on the squeak image and select properties. You will get a multi-sheet dialog where you can add squeak as the app for this type of file, its icon etc.
Ubuntu desktop manager used mime specs and *.desktop files to associate applications with filetypes. See sec 5.5. in http://library.gnome.org/admin/system-admin-guide/2.26/
HTH .. Subbu
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On 25.03.2009, at 22:12, Jerome Peace wrote:
Tanstaafl, or translated you can get free software, but there's a price.
Well, the Etoys install should have created a menu entry so you just click that and it should work.
One could set up Squeak similarly, and I believe some Linux packagers actually do so. The "free software" does not necessarily have to be unusable - although there needs to be someone caring about it.
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Hi Bert,
I had no problems with the basic etoy installation. It worked as you said. With your hint as to how to get to the world menu I can do basic stuff in it.
I am trying to install the etoys-dev stuff somewhere. And reached the block caused by my ignorance and the learning threshold for doing things on ubuntu.
So thanks to you and Mike, Dave, and Subbu for the clues. I have usually found that ignorance is best removed gently. So I am pushing but giving things time to sink in.
Thanks for the help.
Yours in curiosity, -Jer
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
From: Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de Subject: Re: [Newbies] Setting up a squeak on a Ubuntu system To: "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak." beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 5:44 PM On 25.03.2009, at 22:12, Jerome Peace wrote:
Tanstaafl, or translated you can get free software,
but there's a price.
Well, the Etoys install should have created a menu entry so you just click that and it should work.
One could set up Squeak similarly, and I believe some Linux packagers actually do so. The "free software" does not necessarily have to be unusable - although there needs to be someone caring about it.
- Bert -
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Hi Jerome,
attached is what I use on ubuntu - startsqueak was included in older versions of the squeak deb-package.
Markus
Thanks Markus,
This looks adaptable into something useful. Let you know once I grok bash.
Yours in curiosity, --Jerome Peace
--- On Wed, 3/25/09, Markus Schlager m.slg@gmx.de wrote:
From: Markus Schlager m.slg@gmx.de Subject: Re: [Newbies] Setting up a squeak on a Ubuntu system To: peace_the_dreamer@yahoo.com, "A friendly place to get answers to even the most basic questions about Squeak." beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 6:13 PM Hi Jerome,
attached is what I use on ubuntu - startsqueak was included in older versions of the squeak deb-package.
Markus_______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
On Thursday 26 Mar 2009 3:14:20 am Bert Freudenberg wrote:
Well, the Etoys install should have created a menu entry so you just click that and it should work.
This only launches Squeak. Mac users are used to opening *.image files by drag-n-drop on the Squeak app. If there are only a few images, the following steps will create a desktop button to launch an image directly:
1. Right click on Desktop, click on "Create Launcher..." 2. Enter Name: "My Development Image" Command: "squeak path-to-my.image" 3. Click on Icon and pick a good graphic for your desktop button. 4. Click OK.
A button will now appear on your desktop. Clicking it will open the image in squeak directly.
HTH .. Subbu
On 3/25/09, Jerome Peace peace_the_dreamer@yahoo.com wrote:
I am old to squeak but new to unix systems.
I have been able to install etoys successfully from the squeakland web site. And I have been able to download and unpack zip files for etoys-dev and squeak 3.10.2 from archives. The files are in a personal home directory.
I am ignorant in how to tell my Ubuntu 8.04 system how to connect an image file with a squeak vm. (E.G. the vm that runs the installed etoys for example.)
What do I need to know?
Well, I always use the command line because I find the UI cumbersome, but there's a learning curve there. I also usually use a simple window manager such as IceWM rather than the whole Gnome environment because all I ever do is check email and run Squeak.
Usually the "shell" used is called "bash", which makes a good Googlable term.
Install and run xterm or rxvt using the package manager (because the default gnome-terminal sucks). Type in:
$ cd (directory where your image is) $ squeak someImageFile.image
Usually, the directory where the image is would be "~/squeak" where "~" is your "home directory". If you saved the image on your desktop, then it would be in "~/Desktop/folderName".
Oh, to install Squeak, I just usually manually chuck the executable, plugins, image and sources in the same folder. This is because I often have multiple versions of the Squeak VM around.
If the squeak executable is in your "current" directory, you need to use:
$ ./squeak someImageFile.image
because otherwise "bash" won't look at the current directory for executables (a security feature).
For fancy stuff you can do with Squeak, type:
$ squeak --help
which gives you VM options.
Welcome to Linux, land of poverty-stricken programmers and crazy socialists ;-).
Gulik.
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