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It seems the runtime (VM) defines a special selector
#define SelectorRunWithIn 49
for a message with:run:in:
I don't know the details of the purpose of this selector, but I think the VM supports it so that subclasses of AbstractObjectsAsMethod, not just subclasses of CompiledMethod, can be used as methods.
As a test (this could be documented somewhere, for example on wiki.squeak.org) consider 2 classes 'Foo' and 'Bar' :
AbstractObjectsAsMethod subclass: #Foo instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'ObjectAsMethodTrivial'!
!Foo methodsFor: 'RuntimeSupport'! run:aSelector with:arguments in:aReceiver "" Transcript show:'in Foo run:with:in:'. Transcript cr. ^ self! !
Object subclass: #Bar instanceVariableNames: '' classVariableNames: '' poolDictionaries: '' category: 'ObjectAsMethodTrivial'!
!Bar class methodsFor: 'class initialization'! addFooBar "" self addSelector:#foobar withMethod:(Foo new). ^ self! !
Now after fileIn of the above Foo and Bar classes, if I open a Transcript and run in a Workspace :
|p| p _ Bar new. Bar addFooBar. p foobar.
will print in an open Transcript
in Foo run:with:in:
Again, I think this could/or should be documented on wiki.squeak.org, but what happens is, I think, that if I dynamically add a message (method) implementation to class Bar, using addFooBar, which is installing a method #foobar using addSelector:withMethod:, then the VM dispatched a run:with:in message to the 'method' object, which need not be a actually, a subclass of CompiledMethod.
Also some other selectors flushCache, selector: and methodClass: seem necessary for this feature to work.
By subclassing AbstractObjectsAsMethod, on the other hand, it is not required to implement flushCache, selector: and methodClass: as AbstractObjectsAsMethod is doing that, so perhaps the intented usage is to subclass
AbstractObjectsAsMethod
That is why in the above example I do:
AbstractObjectsAsMethod subclass: #Foo
If this is a standard Squeak feature, it could be on the wiki.squeak.org; I was not able to find info on it.
David Stes
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When doing a search on wiki.squeak.org: search for AbstractObjectsAsMethod
it finds matches in
ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot0 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot1 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot2 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot3
So AbstractObjectsAsMethod is in there, but there is no info, that the purpose is (I think) that subclasses provide their own version of
run:aSelector with:arguments in:aReceiver
where the run:with:in: message is dispatched by the VM.
In the example with the class Bar where I add #foobar using addSelector:withMethod:
aSelector is #foobar arguments is an Array aReceiver is then an instance of Bar
David Stes
Hi David,
I think this is already documented quite well in TestObjectsAsMethods, directly in your image. IMO this kind of documentation is also more sustainable than documentation in a far-away wiki that can deprecate and be out of sync with the rest of the code. :-)
Best,
Christoph
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When doing a search on wiki.squeak.org: search for AbstractObjectsAsMethod
it finds matches in
ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot0 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot1 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot2 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot3
So AbstractObjectsAsMethod is in there, but there is no info, that the purpose is (I think) that subclasses provide their own version of
run:aSelector with:arguments in:aReceiver
where the run:with:in: message is dispatched by the VM.
In the example with the class Bar where I add #foobar using addSelector:withMethod:
aSelector is #foobar arguments is an Array aReceiver is then an instance of Bar
David Stes
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Actually I think that David is right, a page on the wiki would be quite helpful here. I do not understand the topic well enough to write that page, but it would be great if someone can explain it.
In this case the wiki page might explain something about the background of ObjectsAsMethods. Why was it invented, and for what might it potentially be useful? Sometimes features like this are invented because they are interesting and "just because we can". In other cases, there is some bigger idea involved. I don't know which it is here, the feature is interesting but I can't think of any useful application for it.
I also note that class TestObjectsAsMethods and its two support classes AbstractObjectsAsMethod and ObjectsAsMethodsExample do not even have any class comments. Nor do any of the tests have method comments. Yes, it is possible to figure out how it works by experimenting with the tests, but this certainly does not qualify as good in-image documentation. Some class comments would be welcome here :-)
Dave
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:48:01AM +0000, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
Hi David,
I think this is already documented quite well in TestObjectsAsMethods, directly in your image. IMO this kind of documentation is also more sustainable than documentation in a far-away wiki that can deprecate and be out of sync with the rest of the code. :-)
Best,
Christoph
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When doing a search on wiki.squeak.org: search for AbstractObjectsAsMethod
it finds matches in
ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot0 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot1 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot2 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot3
So AbstractObjectsAsMethod is in there, but there is no info, that the purpose is (I think) that subclasses provide their own version of
run:aSelector with:arguments in:aReceiver
where the run:with:in: message is dispatched by the VM.
In the example with the class Bar where I add #foobar using addSelector:withMethod:
aSelector is #foobar arguments is an Array aReceiver is then an instance of Bar
David Stes
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A semi-newbies view from the cheap seats here.
This looks like a variant of the command pattern.
If so, that might be a useful note on the new wiki page.
cheers.
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Actually I think that David is right, a page on the wiki would be quite helpful here. I do not understand the topic well enough to write that page, but it would be great if someone can explain it.
In this case the wiki page might explain something about the background of ObjectsAsMethods. Why was it invented, and for what might it potentially be useful? Sometimes features like this are invented because they are interesting and "just because we can". In other cases, there is some bigger idea involved. I don't know which it is here, the feature is interesting but I can't think of any useful application for it.
I also note that class TestObjectsAsMethods and its two support classes AbstractObjectsAsMethod and ObjectsAsMethodsExample do not even have any class comments. Nor do any of the tests have method comments. Yes, it is possible to figure out how it works by experimenting with the tests, but this certainly does not qualify as good in-image documentation. Some class comments would be welcome here :-)
Dave
On Thu, Mar 11, 2021 at 11:48:01AM +0000, Thiede, Christoph wrote:
Hi David,
I think this is already documented quite well in TestObjectsAsMethods, directly in your image. IMO this kind of documentation is also more sustainable than documentation in a far-away wiki that can deprecate and be out of sync with the rest of the code. :-)
Best,
Christoph
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When doing a search on wiki.squeak.org: search for AbstractObjectsAsMethod
it finds matches in
ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot0 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot1 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot2 ListOfClassesInSqueak5dot3
So AbstractObjectsAsMethod is in there, but there is no info, that the purpose is (I think) that subclasses provide their own version of
run:aSelector with:arguments in:aReceiver
where the run:with:in: message is dispatched by the VM.
In the example with the class Bar where I add #foobar using addSelector:withMethod:
aSelector is #foobar arguments is an Array aReceiver is then an instance of Bar
David Stes
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When I select the method run:with:in: of the class (AbstractObjectsAsMethods subclass) ObjectsAsMethodsExample :
and then I click in the menu on "Implementors of it" (m), I find:
Implementors of run:with:in:
ObjectsAsMethodsExample run:with:in: {as yet unclassified} TestCoverage run:with:in: {evaluation} WrappedBreakpoint run:with:in: {evaluation}
So I suspect the classes "TestCoverage" and "WrappedBreakpoint" somehow also implement run:with:in
Perhaps TestCoverage in the category SUnitGUI is a reason why the feature is there.
David Stes
Hi David, hi all!
For using object-as-method, you do not need to inherit from #AbstractObjectsAsMethod. Just install an object into a class' method dictionary that implements #run:with:in:.
Method Wrappers do this: https://github.com/hpi-swa/MethodWrappers
Here is an example for installing such objects-as-methods: https://github.com/hpi-swa/MethodWrappers/blob/master/packages/MethodWrapper...
It uses Behavior >> #addSelectorSilently:withMethod: to modify the class' method dictionary.
Best, Marcel Am 15.03.2021 20:06:33 schrieb stes@PANDORA.BE stes@telenet.be: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
When I select the method run:with:in: of the class (AbstractObjectsAsMethods subclass) ObjectsAsMethodsExample :
and then I click in the menu on "Implementors of it" (m), I find:
Implementors of run:with:in:
ObjectsAsMethodsExample run:with:in: {as yet unclassified} TestCoverage run:with:in: {evaluation} WrappedBreakpoint run:with:in: {evaluation}
So I suspect the classes "TestCoverage" and "WrappedBreakpoint" somehow also implement run:with:in
Perhaps TestCoverage in the category SUnitGUI is a reason why the feature is there.
David Stes
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... and in WrappedBreakpoint >> #install, you find an other way to update a method dictionary. :-)
Best, Marcel Am 16.03.2021 09:24:34 schrieb Marcel Taeumel marcel.taeumel@hpi.de: Hi David, hi all!
For using object-as-method, you do not need to inherit from #AbstractObjectsAsMethod. Just install an object into a class' method dictionary that implements #run:with:in:.
Method Wrappers do this: https://github.com/hpi-swa/MethodWrappers
Here is an example for installing such objects-as-methods: https://github.com/hpi-swa/MethodWrappers/blob/master/packages/MethodWrapper...
It uses Behavior >> #addSelectorSilently:withMethod: to modify the class' method dictionary.
Best, Marcel Am 15.03.2021 20:06:33 schrieb stes@PANDORA.BE stes@telenet.be: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256
When I select the method run:with:in: of the class (AbstractObjectsAsMethods subclass) ObjectsAsMethodsExample :
and then I click in the menu on "Implementors of it" (m), I find:
Implementors of run:with:in:
ObjectsAsMethodsExample run:with:in: {as yet unclassified} TestCoverage run:with:in: {evaluation} WrappedBreakpoint run:with:in: {evaluation}
So I suspect the classes "TestCoverage" and "WrappedBreakpoint" somehow also implement run:with:in
Perhaps TestCoverage in the category SUnitGUI is a reason why the feature is there.
David Stes
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