Hello Mathieu,

MS> You know you can also learn from the image. All it's written in itself ( MS> Someone have swipe me this answer ;) ). MS> The best would be to learn how to read code.

believe me *nothing* compares to learning from another human being!

That said, to Andy: If I new of one, I'd have taken that course myself.

Cheers

Herbert mailto:herbertkoenig@gmx.net

Ralph Johnson wrote:

I have taught a course at the U. of Ilinoist called "Object-Oriented Programming and Design" for twenty years. I've always used Smalltalk, but for the past three years I've used Squeak. It is aimed at grad students, so it is fast paced, but it doesn't assume that people taking the source have even heard of Smalltalk before they start. it covers design patterns and frameworks and I think of it as more of a design course than a programming course, but it makes students profient in Squeak.

The course will be taught over the internet this summer. It is part of our on-line masters program, but you don't have to join the program to take the course. See http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/online/courses.php

It would be nice if you could announce when this would be available when the time comes, Ralph.

BTW, I see that you worked on Kyma. I always wanted to get one of their systems. Just didn't have the personal money, nor the rationalization for the company I worked for, to purchase it! It is such a neat and unique system.

Does that book cover the features of the development environment itself? Is it the white or the blue Guzdial book?

I've found with other communities surrounding a long-running (old) technology that everyone sort of takes for granted "how easy it is to use the tool". However, folks brand new to both Squeak and Smalltalk, while at the same time being well experienced in other languages, are often presented with advice like "read the source code". Come on, give me a break. You need a guide telling you how to use source code control, create and modify classes, run stuff, and refactor stuff. There is nothing like that, though, and a lot of people give upon Squeak becase you have to piece together information from ten different web pages. The lists are really helpful, but still, you need a simple place to start. Most people haven't got the time to invest in "discovering" everything on their own.

On 1/23/07, Mark Bailey Mark.Bailey@sas.com wrote:

While not a training course per se, you might look into Mark Guzdial's books ("Squeak" is in the title) and the associated materials found on his Web site. They lead you through much of Squeak, although an earlier version. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners

<< Does that book cover the features of the development environment itself? Is it the white or the blue Guzdial book? >>

There is a bit of overlap, in terms of the subjects covered, but I think a good place to start is the 'white' book, "Squeak: Object-Oriented Design with Multimedia Applications" by Mark Guzdial (2001). It is based on the 2.8 release. You can get a free copy of it here:

http://www.iam.unibe.ch/~ducasse/FreeBooks.html

<< I've found with other communities surrounding a long-running (old) technology that everyone sort of takes for granted "how easy it is to use the tool". However, folks brand new to both Squeak and Smalltalk, while at the same time being well experienced in other languages, are often presented with advice like "read the source code". Come on, give me a break. You need a guide telling you how to use source code control, create and modify classes, run stuff, and refactor stuff. >>

I agree. I learned a lot by exploring the code but only after I had a structured introduction (PARC Place books, for example). I don't have to return to these books any more but I still learn a lot by reading a new one.

I hope that this advice is helpful to the original requester.

Mark

Hi Ralph and all,

I have tried to locate the course, but when I go to this url:

http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/graduate/courses.php?course=cs598RJ

the page is empty. Could you provide us with the url of the course, its memories and activities or some general info.

Thanks,

Offray

Ralph Johnson escribió:

I have taught a course at the U. of Ilinoist called "Object-Oriented Programming and Design" for twenty years. I've always used Smalltalk, but for the past three years I've used Squeak. It is aimed at grad students, so it is fast paced, but it doesn't assume that people taking the source have even heard of Smalltalk before they start. it covers design patterns and frameworks and I think of it as more of a design course than a programming course, but it makes students profient in Squeak.

The course will be taught over the internet this summer. It is part of our on-line masters program, but you don't have to join the program to take the course. See http://www.cs.uiuc.edu/online/courses.php

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