etoys-dev October 2009

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Re: [JIRA] Updated: (SQ-479) Font for textual script too large
by Bert Freudenberg 06 Oct '09

06 Oct '09

Great, thanks Ricardo! When you attach a changeset, you should also resolve the ticket so it appears in our "ready for testing" filter: http://tracker.squeakland.org/secure/IssueNavigator.jspa?mode=hide&requestI… Also, our naming convention for changesets calls for appending your initials at the end. And a changeset preamble (press Alt-P to add one) serves as documentation, which for example is used to generate the change log: http://squeakland.org/updates/ But except for these formalities, your changeset is good. Hope to see more :) - Bert - On 29.09.2009, at 23:11, tracker(a)squeakland.org wrote: > [ http://tracker.immuexa.com/browse/SQ-479?page=all ] > > Jorge Ricardo Moran updated SQ-479: > ----------------------------------- > > Attachment: etoyCodeFontSmaller.1.cs > > This change set changes the default etoy code font to size 15. > >> Font for textual script too large >> --------------------------------- >> >> Key: SQ-479 >> URL: http://tracker.immuexa.com/browse/SQ-479 >> Project: squeakland >> Type: Bug >> Components: etoys >> Reporter: korakurider >> Attachments: etoyCodeFontSmaller.1.cs >> >> >> Currently 24point font is used. It seems hard to review whole of >> script because scriptor is not resizable and only few lines of >> script can be shown in scriptor window. 15point seems sufficient >> to me. > > -- > This message is automatically generated by JIRA. > - > If you think it was sent incorrectly contact one of the > administrators: > http://tracker.immuexa.com/secure/Administrators.jspa > - > For more information on JIRA, see: > http://www.atlassian.com/software/jira >

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Re: [etoys-dev] together again
by Göran Krampe 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

Hi! Jecel Assumpcao Jr wrote: [SNIP of stuff we agree on] >> I really like eToys but I have not looked deeply at its implementation >> and what a "merge" entails. I think a majority of Squeak-dev would like >> a merge... *IF* it means keeping eToys a separate layer/entity that can >> load on top of the base. > > Note that the official Squeak images already include Etoys. so a merge > would not imply adding that. It would, instead, mean adding lots of > little fixes and some new functionallity (like scaling the screen or the > new navigation bar). > > We all agree about how great it would be to have a tiny kernel image > that could load an Etoys layer, but that is not going to happen soon. > People have created scripts in the past that can rip out all the Etoys > stuff but always in such a way that it is a one way street: the result > can't be loaded back in. We know what needs to be done to go beyond that > and have a reloadable layer, but none of us has the time to do it. So > putting this on a roadmap for the near future is sure to lead to > disappointment. Well, still, it is a crucial point. Let me outline two different scenarios of which I would only support one: Scenario 1: - eToys and Squeak-dev merge by simply moving all changes made in the eToys-fork to the eToys code inside Squeak. - Work continues on improving eToys inside Squeak based on the needs of the eToys project. The code is still intertangled with the rest of Squeak. There is no clear boundary and we will see eToys specific code in the "core classes" (especially Morphic I presume). Scenario 2: - eToys and Squeak-dev merge by moving all changes made in the eToys-fork to the eToys code inside Squeak BUT also clearly marks a boundary between eToys and Squeak. This can be done using method categories and whatever means necessary. While it can not easily be snapshotted separately we at least KNOW what it consists of. - Work *begins* (I am not expecting a timetable, but I do expect an ambition and a plan) on turning eToys into a separate entity that is indeed "loadable" on top of Squeak. I would love to hear the technical details on why this is hard (I don't doubt it, I just wonder). Now... scenario 2 is VASTLY different from scenario 1. regards, Göran

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Re: squeakland teams on the tracker
by Bert Freudenberg 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

On 05.10.2009, at 12:18, Timothy Falconer wrote: > http://tracker.squeakland.org/soft ... software team Nice. The etoys-win component is not included, though. - Bert -

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software meet at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT)
by Timothy Falconer 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

Hi everyone, The software team will be meeting via IRC today at 3pm ET (19:00 GMT), as usual. I've created a filter in our tracker for our agenda, which we can use moving forward: http://tracker.squeakland.org/soft Remember too that this is for "software" not just "etoys" . . . the website showcase needs to be tested, etc, as well. Take care, Tim

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Increase and decrease arrows
by antonio 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

Yes, Karl's idea is a demand of some teachers. regards

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Can't access Show case account
by Hilaire Fernandes 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

It seems the link is broken in the left bottom http://www.squeakland.org/showcase/ Btw I can't find how I can validate a projet I submitted. Hilaire -- http://blog.ofset.org/hilaire

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Jira crashed
by Korakurider 05 Oct '09

05 Oct '09

I cannot even login. ---- 500 Servlet Exception java.io.FileNotFoundException: /home/immuexa/webapps/jira/META-INF/MANIFEST.MF at com.caucho.vfs.JniFilePath.openReadImpl(JniFilePath.java:196) at com.caucho.vfs.Path.openRead(Path.java:635) at com.caucho.server.deploy.ExpandEntry.expandArchive(ExpandEntry.java:155) at com.caucho.server.deploy.ExpandEntry.deploy(ExpandEntry.java:133) at com.caucho.server.deploy.Entry.startImpl(Entry.java:465) at com.caucho.server.webapp.WebAppEntry.startImpl(WebAppEntry.java:94) at com.caucho.server.deploy.Entry.redeployIfModifiedImpl(Entry.java:428) at com.caucho.server.webapp.WebAppEntry.redeployIfModifiedImpl(WebAppEntry.java:94) at com.caucho.server.deploy.Entry.handleAlarm(Entry.java:535) at com.caucho.util.Alarm.handleAlarm(Alarm.java:323) at com.caucho.util.Alarm.run(Alarm.java:293) at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.runTasks(ThreadPool.java:464) at com.caucho.util.ThreadPool.run(ThreadPool.java:408) at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

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Increase and decrease arrows
by Karl Ramberg 04 Oct '09

04 Oct '09

Hi, The increase and decrease arrows on number tiles could be enhanced a little. Now it always adds and subtracts 1. More useful would if the number have 0.3 to add or subtract 0.1 and likevise on 0.04 to add or subtract 0.01 What do others think ? Karl

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Re: [etoys-dev] Control-C causing lockup
by David T. Lewis 03 Oct '09

03 Oct '09

On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:38:06PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote: > On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:07:26PM +0200, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > > > On 30.09.2009, at 05:14, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote: > > > > >At Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:49:00 +1300, > > >Simon Guest wrote: > > >> > > >>Hi EToy-dev people, > > >> > > >>I've found an annoying bug introduced in Etoys 4.0 dev somewhere > > >>between > > >>update 2192 and 2325, which causes control-C to give a hard lockup. > > >> > > >>I reported it on the bug tracker, > > >>http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-484 > > >> > > >>Is that enough? Or should I also raise it here? (Like this ;-) > > >> > > >>Any ideas on the bug? > > > > > > The hard lock up part I'm not sure what is causing it, but one thing > > >you could do for now is update the image and then turn off > > >#automaticPlatformSettings (and swapControlAndAltKeys) preferences to > > >use the Alt- key bindings... > > > > No, the hard lockup was caused by an endless recursion. > > ExtendedClipboardUnixInterface unexpectedly dispatched back to > > Clipboard which dispatched back etc. The Mac interface does not do > > such sillyness ;) I'll fix it shortly. > > > > Now, in any case that *should* not cause a hard lockup but for some > > reason on the Linux VM it still did not react to Alt-. to break into > > the loop. > > > > Ian, any idea? I have seen this before, but never took time to > > investigate. Actually I think it did happen on John's VM too but > > again, I'm not certain. > > There was a fix for this sort of problem in Mantis 1041. The patch > went into Squeak 3.9, and I am not sure if it has been incorporated > into the Etoys image or not. Unfortunately I cannot look into it right > now, but will check later. To follow up on the above, I took a look at an Etoys-dev image, and I am fairly sure that Mantis 1041 is the cause of this problem. The necessary changes are in the VM, and are in Squeak 3.9 and beyond, but are not in Etoys. Unfortunately, just loading the old change set from Mantis did not fix it, so maybe there is some bit rot or other inconsistency that I'm not spotting at the moment. Dave

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etoys-dev October 2009