Squeak-fr October 2005

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Photos de la Fête de la science à Poitiers
by Thierry Pasquier 15 Oct '05

15 Oct '05

Bonsoir, quelques photos prises par Jacques Lavignotte lors de la journée squeak de Poitiers à l'occasion de la Fête de la science le 14 octobre à Poitiers. http://www.maison-des-sciences.org/ecm/eo/2004-2005/squeak2/albumPhotos trop absorbé par la présentation de Stéphane le matin nous avons oublié de prendre des photos à ce moment là. Un grand merci à Stéphane pour sa disponibilité et la pédagogie qu'il a déployé face à une quinzaine de participants notamment des enseignants très intéressés. De nombreux excusés (notamment beaucoup de ceux qui avaient participés à la journée de mars dernier). Si la Fête de la science est une occasion naturelle pour présenter Squeak et Smalltalk, c'est aussi un moment où il se passe beaucoup de choses - c'est le cas ici - avec le risque d'être un peu noyé dans la masse des événements. Berne <-> Poitiers, c'est long ... ;-) -- Thierry Pasquier Chargé de la communication, de l'édition et du multimédia Culture scientifique, technique et industrielle en Poitou-Charentes Espace Mendès France - http://www.maison-des-sciences.org 1 place de la cathédrale, BP 80964, 86038 Poitiers cedex

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[ANN] BotsInc reprint
by stéphane ducasse 15 Oct '05

15 Oct '05

Hi all Apparently my book BotsInc is selling well, to the point that there will be reprint. So I wanted to thanks you all and I hope that you have fun. I did some videos that you can find: http://smallwiki.unibe.ch/ botsinc/Videos/ Stef PS: I think that this is a good new for the following one on learning OOP in .... Smalltalk :) But I will have to find time....

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Re: [Concours de prog multi-langage] Il faut participer avec Seaside
by Dominique Dutoit 15 Oct '05

15 Oct '05

> Tous les langages sont admis. Est-ce vraiment le cas? Sur le site, ils disent que "les participants peuvent produire une application développée en PHP, Java, c#, VBscript ou Python.", bien qu'ils parlent en introduction d'"un concours de programmation multi-langage". Le sujet de l'année passée est disponible à cette adresse: http://www.topdevone.com/V_Epreuves_TopDev_2005.php

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Usages professionnels de Squeak / Smalltalk
by Thierry Pasquier 14 Oct '05

14 Oct '05

Bonsoir, Pour l'après midi de journée du 14 octobre à Poitiers, je voudrais sensibiliser les professionnels ainsi que les formateurs en informatiques (BTS, IUT, etc.) à Smalltalk / Squeak. Je suis carrément court la dessus. Quel pourrait-être l'argumentaire ? Quels exemples d'usages ? de développements ? etc. Thierry

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RE: [Squeak-fr] KPL Kids programmers language
by Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) 13 Oct '05

13 Oct '05

Bonjour, il y a beaucoup plus près des E-Toy et en plus une programmation entièrement visuelle qui permet aux enfants qui ne savent pas encore lire de programmer: toonTalk. http://www.toontalk.com/English/free.htm Mais plus que pour des très jeunes enfants, il permet aux élèves qui ont des difficultés avec le texte et la lecture d'exprimer leur intelligence non verbale. J'ai plusieurs fois eu la surprise de constater au premier conseil de classe que mes meilleurs élèves avec toonTalk étaient en gravement échec dans les autres disciplines. Mieux lorsque j'ai découvert squeak, je suis passé de tooTalk à Squeak, les élèves ont facilement retrouvés les correspondances pour utiliser Squeak. Par exemple: Les livres qui sortent des objets de toontalk et contiennent les commandes à adresser aux objets correspondent aux visualisateurs tirés de l'oeil bleu. L'année suivante, certains de ces élèves très faibles se sont trouvés les meilleurs, meilleurs que d'autres qui étaient bon par ailleurs. Attention pour nous programmer avec ToonTalk est difficile car ce n'est pas notre forme de pensée qui utilise le texte comme véhicule alors que la pensée procédurale s'appuie sur l'action mais si l'on veut donner leur chance à tous les élèves, il faut tenir compte de ces différences. Faire quelque chose du genre en Squeak est l'un de mes projets, mais je ne veut pas faire un clone de toonTalk mais quelque chose qui s'appuie sur les E-toy et les possibilités de squeak. Amitiés -----Message d'origine----- De: squeak-fr-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org A: Squeak in french / Squeak en français Date: 12.10.05 13:46 Objet: [Squeak-fr] KPL Kids programmers language Importance: Haute On est encore loin des Etoys ;-) Début du message réexpédié : > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1. The Kid's Programming Language > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > by Martin Heller > > > When I was a 9th-grader interested in programming, my math teacher > pointed me at the "computer lab," where the school had one IBM > computer. This being 1965, the computer used drum memory, had a > hexadecimal instruction set, and had an IBM manual for that > instruction set. Period. I didn't get very far with that: our computer > club, working together, eventually developed a program for generating > the value of pi. It could spit out one digit every 5 or 6 seconds--and > that was after optimizing the instruction interleave for the drum > rotation speed. > > Fast forward 40 years. Here it is 2005, and I'm programming on 3 GHz > Pentium IV computers with sophisticated integrated development > environments like Visual Studio 2005 and Eclipse, in object-oriented > languages like C#, Visual Basic .NET and Java. If you think about it, > Visual Studio and Eclipse offer just as great a barrier to a young > beginning programmer as that ancient IBM box, except that it's the > opposite barrier: instead of having to learn to program with no tools > at all, the new programmer now has to learn to use incredibly powerful > and complex tools in order to program. > > There's Logo, of course, and StarLogo in particular. But Logo doesn't > provide a great transition to object-oriented languages. > > A new, free alternative is the Kid's Programming Language (KPL), from > Morrison Schwartz. Jon Schwartz is a Microsoft alumnus; Walt Morrison > is an alumnus of NCR and Costco. KPL is the brainchild of their third > core team member, Jonah Stagner, who wrote it to teach his own kids to > program. According to the KPL Web site's Teacher's Introduction: > > "KPL stands for Kid's Programming Language. KPL makes it easy for > kids to learn computer programming. KPL makes it fun, too, by making > it especially easy to program computer games, with cool graphics and > sound. KPL is not just for games, though'Äîit can be used for teaching > many different subjects. KPL's emphasis on games is based on the > belief that learning is best when learning is fun. > > "KPL is a freeware educational program developed by Morrison > Schwartz, a software development and consulting company. KPL is also a > growing community of teachers, students and parents from around the > world who are learning and programming using KPL. KPL is still in its > early stages, but already offers a number of sample programs as > learning material, and we are working on much more." > > Another Morrison Schwartz Web page summarizes the language: > > "KPL's language is modeled on the simplicity and readability of > BASIC, but it is a structured rather than linear programming language. > KPL lets children see eye-catching and immediate results from their > programs, while teaching them fundamental concepts like variables, > data types, loops, decision structures, methods and functions. KPL's > data types include integers, decimals, strings, booleans, arrays, and > user-defined structures." > > To my eye, the KPL language looks like a stripped-down version of the > Visual Basic language with some elements of C#. The control structures > lean towards Basic (If/Then/Else/End If, For/Next, While/End While, > Method/End Method), and there are no semi-colons. The comments, on the > other hand, lean towards the C style: //. > > The language has data Structures, on the order of C structs, but not > classes, and that's deliberate. The point is that object-oriented > programming is not really appropriate for beginners. > > > ** Read more at http://www.byte.com/documents/byt1128970353339/ ** > > PhL > > -- oooo Dr. Serge Stinckwich OOOOOOOO Université de Caen>CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>MAD OOESUGOO http://purl.org/net/SergeStinckwich oooooo Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] \ / ## <<ATT284978.txt>>

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KPL Kids programmers language
by Serge Stinckwich 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

On est encore loin des Etoys ;-) Début du message réexpédié : > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > 1. The Kid's Programming Language > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > by Martin Heller > > > When I was a 9th-grader interested in programming, my math teacher > pointed me at the "computer lab," where the school had one IBM > computer. This being 1965, the computer used drum memory, had a > hexadecimal instruction set, and had an IBM manual for that > instruction set. Period. I didn't get very far with that: our computer > club, working together, eventually developed a program for generating > the value of pi. It could spit out one digit every 5 or 6 seconds--and > that was after optimizing the instruction interleave for the drum > rotation speed. > > Fast forward 40 years. Here it is 2005, and I'm programming on 3 GHz > Pentium IV computers with sophisticated integrated development > environments like Visual Studio 2005 and Eclipse, in object-oriented > languages like C#, Visual Basic .NET and Java. If you think about it, > Visual Studio and Eclipse offer just as great a barrier to a young > beginning programmer as that ancient IBM box, except that it's the > opposite barrier: instead of having to learn to program with no tools > at all, the new programmer now has to learn to use incredibly powerful > and complex tools in order to program. > > There's Logo, of course, and StarLogo in particular. But Logo doesn't > provide a great transition to object-oriented languages. > > A new, free alternative is the Kid's Programming Language (KPL), from > Morrison Schwartz. Jon Schwartz is a Microsoft alumnus; Walt Morrison > is an alumnus of NCR and Costco. KPL is the brainchild of their third > core team member, Jonah Stagner, who wrote it to teach his own kids to > program. According to the KPL Web site's Teacher's Introduction: > > "KPL stands for Kid's Programming Language. KPL makes it easy for > kids to learn computer programming. KPL makes it fun, too, by making > it especially easy to program computer games, with cool graphics and > sound. KPL is not just for games, though’Äîit can be used for teaching > many different subjects. KPL's emphasis on games is based on the > belief that learning is best when learning is fun. > > "KPL is a freeware educational program developed by Morrison > Schwartz, a software development and consulting company. KPL is also a > growing community of teachers, students and parents from around the > world who are learning and programming using KPL. KPL is still in its > early stages, but already offers a number of sample programs as > learning material, and we are working on much more." > > Another Morrison Schwartz Web page summarizes the language: > > "KPL's language is modeled on the simplicity and readability of > BASIC, but it is a structured rather than linear programming language. > KPL lets children see eye-catching and immediate results from their > programs, while teaching them fundamental concepts like variables, > data types, loops, decision structures, methods and functions. KPL's > data types include integers, decimals, strings, booleans, arrays, and > user-defined structures." > > To my eye, the KPL language looks like a stripped-down version of the > Visual Basic language with some elements of C#. The control structures > lean towards Basic (If/Then/Else/End If, For/Next, While/End While, > Method/End Method), and there are no semi-colons. The comments, on the > other hand, lean towards the C style: //. > > The language has data Structures, on the order of C structs, but not > classes, and that's deliberate. The point is that object-oriented > programming is not really appropriate for beginners. > > > ** Read more at http://www.byte.com/documents/byt1128970353339/ ** > > PhL > > -- oooo Dr. Serge Stinckwich OOOOOOOO Université de Caen>CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>MAD OOESUGOO http://purl.org/net/SergeStinckwich oooooo Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] \ / ##

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Photos de la fête de la Science à Caen
by Serge Stinckwich 12 Oct '05

12 Oct '05

Les premières photos du stand Squeak de la fête de la Science à Caen sont disponibles ici : http://www.iutc3.unicaen.fr/~stincs/albums/ 11octobre2005/ -- oooo Dr. Serge Stinckwich OOOOOOOO Université de Caen>CNRS UMR 6072>GREYC>MAD OOESUGOO http://purl.org/net/SergeStinckwich oooooo Smalltalkers do: [:it | All with: Class, (And love: it)] \ / ##

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Publication du jeu DansePtitLapin
by Samir Saidani 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Hello, Pour la fête de la Science, on utilise un ptit jeu assez complet pour montrer que l'on peut faire des trucs sympas et rigolos avec les E-toys, c'est sur le dépôt de projets français. Aller sur Navigateur, Chercher, choisir Dépôt de projets en français, puis DansePtitLapin.001.pr Amusez-vous bien :-) Samir

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RE: [Squeak-fr] tutoriel premiers pas E-toy
by Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) 11 Oct '05

11 Oct '05

Merci,ceci me donne des exemples du code d'édition por convertir les futures pages, J'ai complété le tutoriel sur le Wicki. Le projet est complet. -----Message d'origine----- De: squeak-fr-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org A: Squeak in french / Squeak en français Date: 10.10.05 17:26 Objet: RE: [Squeak-fr] Fêtes de la science engrenages J'ai refait une relecture de ton tutoriel, je me suis permis de le reformater en wikipedia, c'est plus facile à lire le source. Aussi je l'ai référencé dans la rubrique 'démarrer' (http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Astuces_Squeak) Hilaire

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Article test unit
by Hilaire Fernandes 10 Oct '05

10 Oct '05

L'article Test unit de stef est entierement en ligne http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Tests_unitaires_avec_Squeak Si vous connaissez des articles intéressant à traduire ou à mettre sous une forme en ligne, ajoutez les donc depuis la page : http://community.ofset.org/wiki/Contribuer_et_r%C3%A9diger_dans_l%27espace_… Hilaire -- http://www.ofset.org/petition Pétition de soutien au développement de logiciels libres pour l'éducation.

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