My GUI programming background is mainly Java Swing. I'm trying to get a feel for programming with Morphic. Browsing through the list of classes, I'm not seeing lots of basic things I'd expect. Maybe Morphic is dramatically different. I'm trying to find basic things like text fields, checkboxes, radio buttons, push buttons, lists, tables, trees, etc.
I've searched for Morphic tutorials. Most seem to focus on custom graphics rather than these basic GUI widgets.
Where should I start?
--- Mark Volkmann
Hi,
I am actually facing the same problem - not understanding the differences between all the morphs and what they actually do.
Things I found most interesting so far (after asking here on the list): - the Morphic chapter by John Maloney: http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks/CollectiveNBlueBook/morphic.final.... - this PluggableMorphs tutorial: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2962 - and the various GUI builders: http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2914 (BobsUI) http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5607 (ToolBuilder) http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836 (Maui)
Hope there is more, though!?
Regards, Matthias
Am Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:59:56 -0500 schrieb Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com:
My GUI programming background is mainly Java Swing. I'm trying to get a feel for programming with Morphic. Browsing through the list of classes, I'm not seeing lots of basic things I'd expect. Maybe Morphic is dramatically different. I'm trying to find basic things like text fields, checkboxes, radio buttons, push buttons, lists, tables, trees, etc.
I've searched for Morphic tutorials. Most seem to focus on custom graphics rather than these basic GUI widgets.
Where should I start?
Mark Volkmann
On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:14 AM, Matthias Korn wrote:
Hi,
I am actually facing the same problem - not understanding the differences between all the morphs and what they actually do.
Things I found most interesting so far (after asking here on the list):
- the Morphic chapter by John Maloney:
http://stephane.ducasse.free.fr/FreeBooks/CollectiveNBlueBook/morphic.final....
This is interesting, but I'm amazed that in 38 pages it doesn't provide a single example of create a text field where the user can enter data.
- this PluggableMorphs tutorial:
The descriptions of the demos sound good, but code is only provided for the button demos. It's not clear how to get to other demo code.
- and the various GUI builders:
http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/2914 (BobsUI) http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/5607 (ToolBuilder) http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/3836 (Maui)
Hope there is more, though!?
Regards, Matthias
Am Fri, 10 Oct 2008 07:59:56 -0500 schrieb Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com:
My GUI programming background is mainly Java Swing. I'm trying to get a feel for programming with Morphic. Browsing through the list of classes, I'm not seeing lots of basic things I'd expect. Maybe Morphic is dramatically different. I'm trying to find basic things like text fields, checkboxes, radio buttons, push buttons, lists, tables, trees, etc.
I've searched for Morphic tutorials. Most seem to focus on custom graphics rather than these basic GUI widgets.
Where should I start?
Mark Volkmann
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--- Mark Volkmann
Hi,
Am Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:41:22 -0500 schrieb Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com:
[..]
- this PluggableMorphs tutorial:
The descriptions of the demos sound good, but code is only provided for the button demos. It's not clear how to get to other demo code.
In the .pr file there is the code for all three types (Buttons, TextBox, Lists). I guess the other PluggableMorphs are similar.
Regards, Matthias
On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Matthias Korn wrote:
Hi,
Am Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:41:22 -0500 schrieb Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com:
[..]
- this PluggableMorphs tutorial:
The descriptions of the demos sound good, but code is only provided for the button demos. It's not clear how to get to other demo code.
In the .pr file there is the code for all three types (Buttons, TextBox, Lists). I guess the other PluggableMorphs are similar.
Ah ... I didn't see that link before. I haven't run across .pr files yet. What opens those?
--- Mark Volkmann
Mark Volkmann wrote:
On Oct 10, 2008, at 9:47 AM, Matthias Korn wrote:
Hi,
Am Fri, 10 Oct 2008 09:41:22 -0500 schrieb Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com:
[..]
- this PluggableMorphs tutorial:
The descriptions of the demos sound good, but code is only provided for the button demos. It's not clear how to get to other demo code.
In the .pr file there is the code for all three types (Buttons, TextBox, Lists). I guess the other PluggableMorphs are similar.
Ah ... I didn't see that link before. I haven't run across .pr files yet. What opens those?
It's a Squeak project file. Open with FileList.
Karl
Hello Mark,
MV> Ah ... I didn't see that link before. MV> I haven't run across .pr files yet. What opens those?
well, a project. You can think of a project like a switchable Linux Desktop. World Menu, Open, Morphic Project opens a new one.
They can be nested, jumped to and deleted. And saved to .pr files.
So if you load your pluggableDemo.pr your desktop will be replaced by that project. You get back via World Menu, previous project.
Each project carries its own changeset which gets the current cs when you enter that (never used cs myself).
I use Squeak Projects to work on different aspects of my Software projects.
For example in one Project I have Browsers, Workspaces, Inspectors of my model classes while in another Project I might have Browsers on my database connection classes.
Switching projects is faster than opening or expanding Browser Windows.
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com wrote:
My GUI programming background is mainly Java Swing. I'm trying to get a feel for programming with Morphic. Browsing through the list of classes, I'm not seeing lots of basic things I'd expect. Maybe Morphic is dramatically different. I'm trying to find basic things like text fields, checkboxes, radio buttons, push buttons, lists, tables, trees, etc.
I've searched for Morphic tutorials. Most seem to focus on custom graphics rather than these basic GUI widgets.
Where should I start?
Yea, they're... er... not there. IMHO Squeak has only rudimentary support for GUIs, despite people raving about Morphic.
I tried with Morphic and gave up. For simple stuff, it works okay. If you do more complex stuff, you end up wasting too much time making stuff work. And then when it does work, it looks like... Morphic.
I now use ToolBuilder; it should be installed in your image. It was originally written as a cross-platform base for making all the Squeak tools work on Morphic, MVC, Tweak etc, and was originally designed only to have enough functionality to make the basic Squeak tools work. There's some example code but otherwise no documentation as far as I know. If you want me to, I could write some documentation for it.
There's also wxSqueak and SqueakGTK, which use native widgets. I don't know much about them. You could also use Seaside to make web applications which look like anything else does in a web browser, but then you'll be in the unfortunate position of making a GUI using a markup language originally designed for sharing hyperlinked documents over a stateless network protocol.
Gulik.
Not to forget SeasideXUL!
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Michael van der Gulik mikevdg@gmail.comwrote:
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Mark Volkmann mark@ociweb.com wrote:
My GUI programming background is mainly Java Swing. I'm trying to get a feel for programming with Morphic. Browsing through the list of classes, I'm not seeing lots of basic things I'd expect. Maybe Morphic is dramatically different. I'm trying to find basic things like text fields, checkboxes, radio buttons, push buttons, lists, tables, trees, etc.
I've searched for Morphic tutorials. Most seem to focus on custom graphics rather than these basic GUI widgets.
Where should I start?
Yea, they're... er... not there. IMHO Squeak has only rudimentary support for GUIs, despite people raving about Morphic.
I tried with Morphic and gave up. For simple stuff, it works okay. If you do more complex stuff, you end up wasting too much time making stuff work. And then when it does work, it looks like... Morphic.
I now use ToolBuilder; it should be installed in your image. It was originally written as a cross-platform base for making all the Squeak tools work on Morphic, MVC, Tweak etc, and was originally designed only to have enough functionality to make the basic Squeak tools work. There's some example code but otherwise no documentation as far as I know. If you want me to, I could write some documentation for it.
There's also wxSqueak and SqueakGTK, which use native widgets. I don't know much about them. You could also use Seaside to make web applications which look like anything else does in a web browser, but then you'll be in the unfortunate position of making a GUI using a markup language originally designed for sharing hyperlinked documents over a stateless network protocol.
Gulik.
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Hello Mark,
MvdG> I've searched for Morphic tutorials. Most seem to focus MvdG> on custom graphics rather than these basic GUI widgets.
MvdG> Where should I start?
don't know if it's a place to start but UI enhancements is a project that focuses IMHO on crating Windows like UI#s for business apps.
When searching the links I saw it now is named Polymorph
http://www.squeaksource.com/@aob5MWusoehQm7WG/anhdA6Ah
Well,
HK> don't know if it's a place to start but UI enhancements is a project HK> that focuses IMHO on crating Windows like UI#s for business apps. creating that should be. At least I learned a new English word :-)
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