Hi I'd like to develop a simple strategy game that runs from the browser for my website. Can Squeak compile an application in Java or Flash or any other format a browser would recognize without exotic plugins?
You'll need to clarify this. Will the game run in the browser, server side, or a combination? The only sensible options for browser side work are javascript and flash.
Squeak is smalltalk. If your game will run primarily server side and serve up html (possibly with bits of javascript to make it more interactive), then seaside (a smalltalk framework for squeak to build web apps) is a good choice.
Otherwise, I'd get a javascript book and start figuring out how to work in that. There is no shortcut there and you will be testing/ running entirely in the browser.
On Jun 10, 2007, at 10:22 AM, gent wrote:
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Otherwise, I'd get a javascript book and start figuring out how to work in that. There is no shortcut there and you will be testing/running entirely in the browser.
Unless you're in a time-warp, developing games out of Ahl's Basic Computer Games[1], Javascript is not going to cut it. Javascript isn't even usable for graphics/real-time games of that era. At least, when I've googled Javascript games, I've never found one that could do a decent Space Invaders[2].
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash. And some people won't do Java while others won't do Flash. (But then, some people turn off Javascript). If you're not absolutely opposed to downloads, Squeak would work pretty well and I've seen a TCL plug-in that's kind of cool. Also Silverlight is allegedly coming, though it's in pre-pre-pre-Alpha (so Microsoft is at the "it'll do everything our competitor's products will do and more" phase, soon to be replaced by the "you'll use it and like it OR ELSE" phase).
It's actually a pretty dismal situation.
===Blake===
[1] http://www.atariarchives.org/basicgames/ [2] http://www.treblig.org/si/spaceiv.html This is the best one I've seen, and it's notable for actually =working=, and it has a whole bunch of caveats based on browser. [3] Though, at least, it's not absolutely necessary that you use the Java language anymore.
Blake wrote:
Otherwise, I'd get a javascript book and start figuring out how to work in that. There is no shortcut there and you will be testing/running entirely in the browser.
Unless you're in a time-warp, developing games out of Ahl's Basic Computer Games[1], Javascript is not going to cut it. Javascript isn't even usable for graphics/real-time games of that era. At least, when I've googled Javascript games, I've never found one that could do a decent Space Invaders[2].
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash. And some people won't do Java while others won't do Flash. (But then, some people turn off Javascript). If you're not absolutely opposed to downloads, Squeak would work pretty well and I've seen a TCL plug-in that's kind of cool. Also Silverlight is allegedly coming, though it's in pre-pre-pre-Alpha (so Microsoft is at the "it'll do everything our competitor's products will do and more" phase, soon to be replaced by the "you'll use it and like it OR ELSE" phase).
It's actually a pretty dismal situation.
===Blake===[1] http://www.atariarchives.org/basicgames/ [2] http://www.treblig.org/si/spaceiv.html This is the best one I've seen, and it's notable for actually =working=, and it has a whole bunch of caveats based on browser. [3] Though, at least, it's not absolutely necessary that you use the Java language anymore. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
You can use Squeak projects to make and publish games on the internet. Go to Squeakland to get the plugin.
You can also use Scratch to make and publish simple games. I'm actually not sure how the Scratch stuff works. I think it's a java Squeak vm mixture of some sort. Some one have to clarify what goes on there.
Karl
Karl
On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 11:29:17 -0700, Karl karl.ramberg@comhem.se wrote:
You can use Squeak projects to make and publish games on the internet. Go to Squeakland to get the plugin.
Right, but the starting premise was "no exotic plug-ins". And all plug-ins are exotic, apparently. OK, maybe not Flash, Java, QuickTime, MediaPlayer.
Flash is probably the de facto standard, though I wouldn't put money on them not ceding that to Microsoft through sheer incompetence. (Nothing against Adobe or for MS, but when you have an unlimited supply of cash, you can outlive your own ineptitude.)
You can also use Scratch to make and publish simple games. I'm actually not sure how the Scratch stuff works. I think it's a java Squeak vm mixture of some sort. Some one have to clarify what goes on there.
That's interesting. I'd be curious to know what was going on there.
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash. And some people won't do Java while others won't do Flash. (But then, some people turn off Javascript). If you're not absolutely opposed to downloads, Squeak would work pretty well and I've seen a TCL plug-in that's kind of cool. Also Silverlight is allegedly coming, though it's in pre-pre-pre-Alpha (so Microsoft is at the "it'll do everything our competitor's products will do and more" phase, soon to be replaced by the "you'll use it and like it OR ELSE" phase).
maybe flex2, as it's going to be open source !... http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/200704/042607Flex.ht...
Unless you're in a time-warp, developing games out of Ahl's Basic Computer Games[1], Javascript is not going to cut it. Javascript isn't even usable for graphics/real-time games of that era. At least, when I've googled Javascript games, I've never found one that could do a decent Space Invaders[2].
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash. And some people won't do Java while others won't do Flash. (But then, some people turn off Javascript). If you're not absolutely opposed to downloads, Squeak would work pretty well and I've seen a TCL plug-in that's kind of cool. Also Silverlight is allegedly coming, though it's in pre-pre-pre-Alpha (so Microsoft is at the "it'll do everything our competitor's products will do and more" phase, soon to be replaced by the "you'll use it and like it OR ELSE" phase).
It's actually a pretty dismal situation.
===Blake===
Doom in javascript...
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 11:06:30 -0700, Ramon Leon ramon.leon@allresnet.com wrote:
Doom in javascript...
One small map, minus monsters and weapons, which runs at 12 fps in "large" mode (which isn't very large), and which IE wants to dowlnoad.
As I said, dismal. (Impressive demo, though, I'll give you that.)
===Blake===
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash.
Nonsense. You can do whatever you like in JS.
http://janis.or.jp/users/segabito/JavaScriptMaryo.html
On Jun 10, 2007, at 11:08 AM, Blake wrote:
Otherwise, I'd get a javascript book and start figuring out how to work in that. There is no shortcut there and you will be testing/ running entirely in the browser.
Unless you're in a time-warp, developing games out of Ahl's Basic Computer Games[1], Javascript is not going to cut it. Javascript isn't even usable for graphics/real-time games of that era. At least, when I've googled Javascript games, I've never found one that could do a decent Space Invaders[2].
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash. And some people won't do Java while others won't do Flash. (But then, some people turn off Javascript). If you're not absolutely opposed to downloads, Squeak would work pretty well and I've seen a TCL plug-in that's kind of cool. Also Silverlight is allegedly coming, though it's in pre-pre- pre-Alpha (so Microsoft is at the "it'll do everything our competitor's products will do and more" phase, soon to be replaced by the "you'll use it and like it OR ELSE" phase).
It's actually a pretty dismal situation.
===Blake===
[1] http://www.atariarchives.org/basicgames/ [2] http://www.treblig.org/si/spaceiv.html This is the best one I've seen, and it's notable for actually =working=, and it has a whole bunch of caveats based on browser. [3] Though, at least, it's not absolutely necessary that you use the Java language anymore. _______________________________________________ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:33:41 -0700, Todd Blanchard tblanchard@mac.com wrote:
Your real choices are Java[3] and Flash.
Nonsense. You can do whatever you like in JS.
I can only assume that you're not a gamer.
El 6/10/07 2:22 PM, "gent" gent@gentrify.us escribió:
Hi I'd like to develop a simple strategy game that runs from the browser for my website. Can Squeak compile an application in Java or Flash or any other format a browser would recognize without exotic plugins?
Squeak can drive a web game.
The students here any year improve our TEG, a Risk variant. I recommend you use Firefox.
Edgar
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