Hi, I have been interested in programming and thus a hobbyist since I was nine years old in 1989. Since then I have programmed many programs using various languages including, but not limited to, C, C++, Pascal, Assembly, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, C#, VBScript, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell, BASH, AWK, SED, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, JScript, CSS, XHTML, and XML. But I've never used SmallTalk or Squeak, and it's a bit confusing to me as to how to develop a program. I understand that the Squeak! environment is a development environment to some extent, right? So where do I start?
Thanks.
This would be a good start: http://squeakbyexample.org/
Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I have been interested in programming and thus a hobbyist since I was nine years old in 1989. Since then I have programmed many programs using various languages including, but not limited to, C, C++, Pascal, Assembly, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, C#, VBScript, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell, BASH, AWK, SED, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, JScript, CSS, XHTML, and XML. But I've never used SmallTalk or Squeak, and it's a bit confusing to me as to how to develop a program. I understand that the Squeak! environment is a development environment to some extent, right? So where do I start?
Thanks.
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An by the way. Forget all you know about those languages. After learning smalltalk, you'll never see the world the same way. Do ou remember Neo in The Matrix when he sees the code of the matrix? :)
Cheers, Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Miguel Cobá m.coba.m@gmail.com wrote:
This would be a good start: http://squeakbyexample.org/
Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I have been interested in programming and thus a hobbyist since I was nine years old in 1989. Since then I have programmed many programs using various languages including, but not limited to, C, C++, Pascal, Assembly, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, C#, VBScript, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell, BASH, AWK, SED, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, JScript, CSS, XHTML, and XML. But I've never used SmallTalk or Squeak, and it's a bit confusing to me as to how to develop a program. I understand that the Squeak! environment is a development environment to some extent, right? So where do I start?
Thanks.
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There was one I forgot to mention, which claims to use a similar production paradigm to SmallTalk - that is Ruby. I've been programming in Ruby for over a year now, which I know isn't the same, already, but it too is completely Object Oriented and Object Based.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Miguel Cobá m.coba.m@gmail.com wrote:
An by the way. Forget all you know about those languages. After learning smalltalk, you'll never see the world the same way. Do ou remember Neo in The Matrix when he sees the code of the matrix? :)
Cheers, Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Miguel Cobá m.coba.m@gmail.com wrote:
This would be a good start: http://squeakbyexample.org/
Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I have been interested in programming and thus a hobbyist since I was nine years old in 1989. Since then I have programmed many programs using various languages including, but not limited to, C, C++, Pascal, Assembly, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, C#, VBScript, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell, BASH, AWK, SED, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, JScript, CSS, XHTML, and XML. But I've never used SmallTalk or Squeak, and it's a bit confusing to me as to how to develop a program. I understand that the Squeak! environment is a development environment to some extent, right? So where do I start?
Thanks.
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On 28.03.2008, at 17:28, Nathan Lane wrote:
There was one I forgot to mention, which claims to use a similar production paradigm to SmallTalk - that is Ruby. I've been programming in Ruby for over a year now, which I know isn't the same, already, but it too is completely Object Oriented and Object Based.
The object semantics are indeed similar. However, in Squeak you're interacting with live objects directly, rather than having them recreated from dead code all the time. That's a huge difference once you make the mind shift.
And, btw, it's "Smalltalk" with a lowercase t.
- Bert -
Cool, thanks for the correction. I realized right away it was different. Thanks for explaining.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 28.03.2008, at 17:28, Nathan Lane wrote:
There was one I forgot to mention, which claims to use a similar production paradigm to SmallTalk - that is Ruby. I've been programming in Ruby for over a year now, which I know isn't the same, already, but it too is completely Object Oriented and Object Based.
The object semantics are indeed similar. However, in Squeak you're interacting with live objects directly, rather than having them recreated from dead code all the time. That's a huge difference once you make the mind shift.
And, btw, it's "Smalltalk" with a lowercase t.
- Bert -
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Welcome, I am 14, and I just started with Smalltalk and Squeak, and I personally feel that it is easier to use and understand, once you get a basic understanding of how everything works. I have only really written software in Java, and I have played around with C++ a bit, but Smalltalk is my favorite language at the moment, and probably will be for quite some time!
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Cool, thanks for the correction. I realized right away it was different. Thanks for explaining.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 28.03.2008, at 17:28, Nathan Lane wrote:
There was one I forgot to mention, which claims to use a similar production paradigm to SmallTalk - that is Ruby. I've been programming in Ruby for over a year now, which I know isn't the same, already, but it too is completely Object Oriented and Object Based.
The object semantics are indeed similar. However, in Squeak you're interacting with live objects directly, rather than having them recreated from dead code all the time. That's a huge difference once you make the mind shift.
And, btw, it's "Smalltalk" with a lowercase t.
- Bert -
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That's good to hear - so I am wondering would people here place Squeak in a category of Visual Programming Languages (visual like Visual Basic)?
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Zmick dz0004455@gmail.com wrote:
Welcome, I am 14, and I just started with Smalltalk and Squeak, and I personally feel that it is easier to use and understand, once you get a basic understanding of how everything works. I have only really written software in Java, and I have played around with C++ a bit, but Smalltalk is my favorite language at the moment, and probably will be for quite some time!
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Cool, thanks for the correction. I realized right away it was different. Thanks for explaining.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
On 28.03.2008, at 17:28, Nathan Lane wrote:
There was one I forgot to mention, which claims to use a similar production paradigm to SmallTalk - that is Ruby. I've been programming in Ruby for over a year now, which I know isn't the same, already, but it too is completely Object Oriented and Object Based.
The object semantics are indeed similar. However, in Squeak you're interacting with live objects directly, rather than having them recreated from dead code all the time. That's a huge difference once you make the mind shift.
And, btw, it's "Smalltalk" with a lowercase t.
- Bert -
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Hi and welcome ;)
That's good to hear - so I am wondering would people here place Squeak in a category of Visual Programming Languages (visual like Visual Basic)?
not me... to me it's live programming. I have the impressions objects are alive in my image.
The most important important thing to me is to learn how to navigate in the code... browse classes, senders, implementors, method containing..., hierarchy browse, protocol browse...
and also, it's very important to get to use the debugger... Instead of evaluating (alt+d), just right click and 'debug it'. You should find that in SBE.
Cédrick
I don't think so. I think that for visual programming you mean drag & drop controls (buttons, tables, input text, etc) to a canvas that will be show to the user as a classical desktop app. Smalltalk is not that (although you can do application with buttons and all that) but much more. Isn't just only an IDE like Eclipse, VisualStudio or Netbeans. It's a whole world of living objects and you can modify them on the fly. Well by following the tutorials you'll understand this.
Cheers, Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
That's good to hear - so I am wondering would people here place Squeak in a category of Visual Programming Languages (visual like Visual Basic)?
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 2:47 PM, David Zmick dz0004455@gmail.com wrote:
Welcome, I am 14, and I just started with Smalltalk and Squeak, and I personally feel that it is easier to use and understand, once you get a basic understanding of how everything works. I have only really written software in Java, and I have played around with C++ a bit, but Smalltalk is my favorite language at the moment, and probably will be for quite some time!
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 11:35 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Cool, thanks for the correction. I realized right away it was different. Thanks for explaining.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Bert Freudenberg < bert@freudenbergs.de> wrote:
On 28.03.2008, at 17:28, Nathan Lane wrote:
There was one I forgot to mention, which claims to use a similar production paradigm to SmallTalk - that is Ruby. I've been programming in Ruby for over a year now, which I know isn't the same, already, but it too is completely Object Oriented and Object Based.
The object semantics are indeed similar. However, in Squeak you're interacting with live objects directly, rather than having them recreated from dead code all the time. That's a huge difference once you make the mind shift.
And, btw, it's "Smalltalk" with a lowercase t.
- Bert -
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Thanks, I downloaded the PDF, so I'll take a look at it.
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Miguel Cobá m.coba.m@gmail.com wrote:
This would be a good start: http://squeakbyexample.org/
Miguel Cobá
On Fri, Mar 28, 2008 at 10:12 AM, Nathan Lane nathamberlane@gmail.com wrote:
Hi, I have been interested in programming and thus a hobbyist since I was nine years old in 1989. Since then I have programmed many programs using various languages including, but not limited to, C, C++, Pascal, Assembly, Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, C#, VBScript, Visual Basic, Batch, Powershell, BASH, AWK, SED, PHP, HTML, JavaScript, JScript, CSS, XHTML, and XML. But I've never used SmallTalk or Squeak, and it's a bit confusing to me as to how to develop a program. I understand that the Squeak! environment is a development environment to some extent, right? So where do I start?
Thanks.
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