What sort of questions are appropriate to each group (really means which questions should you not ask on Squeak Developers)?
As I understand it Squeak is a variant of Smalltalk, so is Squeak beginners the proper place to ask about Smalltalk Proper and the IDE, with Squeak developers the place to ask questions about libraries and the implementation?
The developers list has a lot more activity and it makes me wonder if most questions are better asked there even if a newbie. I would assume newbie means people new to programming rather than Smalltalk or its environments and libraries in general.
"Frank" == Frank Church vfclists@googlemail.com writes:
Frank> What sort of questions are appropriate to each group (really means Frank> which questions should you not ask on Squeak Developers)?
Squeak-dev is the original mailing list for Squeak. Squeak-beginners was set up so as not to scare off people when the core team talks about "closure compilers" and "browser plugin environments" on squeak-dev.
Feel free to post beginner questions on either list. Just don't be scared if you don't understand everything (yet) that goes by on squeak-dev.
If you're posting about a non-squeak Smalltalk on either list, it would be best to disclose that up front, because the presumption is that you're using Squeak. And while no promise of help is *ever* given (this isn't a help desk!), you might even further adjust your expectations about getting help with non-squeak smalltalks on a Squeak mailing list. :)
On 17.06.2009, at 17:00, Frank Church wrote:
What sort of questions are appropriate to each group (really means which questions should you not ask on Squeak Developers)?
You should not ask annoyingly simple questions on squeak-dev. Here on the beginner's list you are invited to ask about anything related to Squeak, however simple it may seem.
As I understand it Squeak is a variant of Smalltalk, so is Squeak beginners the proper place to ask about Smalltalk Proper and the IDE, with Squeak developers the place to ask questions about libraries and the implementation?
No, that's not the separation. The primary purpose of squeak-dev is to advance Squeak itself, rather than asking questions how to develop using Squeak.
The developers list has a lot more activity and it makes me wonder if most questions are better asked there even if a newbie. I would assume newbie means people new to programming rather than Smalltalk or its environments and libraries in general.
No, it's for people not familiar with Squeak yet, which includes absolute beginners as well as "switchers" from other environments. It's a good idea to read both lists but only ask on the beginner's list for at least a couple of months. Then you will get a feel for what topic to bring up on which list.
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Hi frank
I battled a lot to impose this mailing-list because I felt that newbies were afraid asking questions. And this mailing-list is wonderful. Feel free to post here or on squeak-dev. There is no specific rules. This mailing-list was just created so that you feel free to ask any question you have but you can post to the other two.
I think that the people answering all the questions are doing an excellent job! Chapeau bas messieurs ;)
Stef
On Jun 17, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Frank Church wrote:
What sort of questions are appropriate to each group (really means which questions should you not ask on Squeak Developers)?
As I understand it Squeak is a variant of Smalltalk, so is Squeak beginners the proper place to ask about Smalltalk Proper and the IDE, with Squeak developers the place to ask questions about libraries and the implementation?
The developers list has a lot more activity and it makes me wonder if most questions are better asked there even if a newbie. I would assume newbie means people new to programming rather than Smalltalk or its environments and libraries in general.
-- Frank Church
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