etoys-dev September 2009

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Configuring bug tracker
by Bert Freudenberg 30 Sep '09

30 Sep '09

I find our default filters, dashboard etc. not too useful. I made some filters on my own and configured the portal to show them (when you click the "Home" nav link). This shows only the open etoys 4.0 issues on the top left, and the issues that need testing in the top right: I can't make my filters public, but if someone else wants to configure their tracker similarly, here they are: Name: Etoys to do (4.0) Description: All unresolved etoys issues for the Summer 2009 release Project: squeakland Status: Open, In Progress, Reopened Fix Version/s: etoys 4.0 - summer 2009 Component/s: etoys, etoys-linux, etoys-mac, etoys-olpc, etoys-plugin, etoys-sugar, etoys-win Sorted by: Priority descending Name: Etoys to do (4.1) Description: All unresolved etoys issues for the Winter 2010 release Project: squeakland Status: Open, In Progress, Reopened Fix Version/s: etoys 4.1 - winter 2010 Component/s: etoys, etoys-linux, etoys-mac, etoys-olpc, etoys-plugin, etoys-sugar, etoys-win Sorted by: Priority descending Name: Etoys to do (all versions) Description: unresolved etoys issues in all unreleased versions Project: squeakland Status: Open, In Progress, Reopened Fix Version/s: All unreleased versions Component/s: etoys, etoys-linux, etoys-mac, etoys-olpc, etoys-plugin, etoys-sugar, etoys-win Sorted by: Fix Version/s ascending, then Priority descending Name: Etoys ready for testing Description: All resolved issues in etoys Project: squeakland Status: Resolved Component/s: etoys, etoys-linux, etoys-mac, etoys-olpc, etoys-plugin, etoys-sugar, etoys-win Sorted by: Fix Version/s ascending, then Priority descending - Bert -

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[Fwd: Re: [etoys-dev] How to get a nice EToys based development environment?]
by Derek O'Connell 30 Sep '09

30 Sep '09

Andreas Raab wrote: > How do people feel about bringing Squeak.org and Etoys together again? +1000001 :-) Etoys has for a while been more Squeak-ish than Squeak IMHO. At some point in the past few years, for reasons I cannot remember right now, it became impossible/difficult to swap projects between Squeak & Etoys and I have since mainly used Etoys. I still have many projects in old Squeak images and newer ones in Etoys. My own personal mess but it would be nice to clean it up in one combined image at some point in the future. I'm short on time but would be gladly help in any such effort when I can. -D > Here is a VHLQ (very high-level question): How do people feel about > bringing Squeak.org and Etoys together again? Since the Etoys-haters > left, there is both room as well as a need for a driving application. A > merger with Etoys would give Squeak back its primary purpose for > existence, would allow the Etoys community to benefit from improvements > made at Squeak.org and allow of us to focus our efforts in trying to > provide a unified artifact for personal dynamic media. We have an open > development process that I think could work for such a project so that > at the end of the day the Squeakland release may come with a special > "skin" for the UI but where the basic system is a Squeak.org image right > out of the box. > > I'm not sure if we have the resources to do this quickly but I'd like at > least to raise the question to see how people feel about it. Is this > even option? > > Cheers, > - Andreas > _______________________________________________ > etoys-dev mailing list > etoys-dev(a)squeakland.org > http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/etoys-dev

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[Fwd: Re: [etoys-dev] Favorite new features in Etoys 4]
by Derek O'Connell 30 Sep '09

30 Sep '09

Bert Freudenberg wrote: > > On 30.09.2009, at 00:57, Edward Cherlin wrote: >> >> How does one find out what is in Etoys? > > Excellent question. I have no idea how to do that systematically. It's > like a medieval castle remodeled again and again into a baroque palace > with a thousand hidden rooms. I'm using Squeak for 10+ years now and > still find things I didn't know existed. It's that deep. > >From my list of "ideas without time to explore"... "Ask MoM!", a search facility combining keywords, synonyms and verbs that returns example Morphs (or combinations of). "MoM" stands for "Morph-on-Morphs". To begin with it could be as simple as a dictionary look-up but could be easily extended to trigger "event-movies". This would fill the gap between the many good example Etoys projects already existing and the beginners dilemma of not knowing where to start and/or how to search for solutions to basic tasks. Sorry if slightly off-topic, also no time to play with new version to discover favourite features ;-)

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30 Sep '09

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Re: [etoys-dev] Favorite new features in Etoys 4
by Bert Freudenberg 30 Sep '09

30 Sep '09

On 30.09.2009, at 00:57, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de > > wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I think it would be good to collect and point out some of your >> favorite new >> features that we should explicitly tell the others about to try. >> >> For example, one thing that should help quite a bit with e.g. >> documenting is >> that you can copy-and-paste an object from Etoys into another >> application. >> E.g., I just got the halo on a script, pressed Cmd-C, switched to >> Mail, >> pressed Cmd-V, and got this: > > [graphic omitted] Excellent. Can you group objects and copy them all > at once? It works for everything you can get a halo on. So if you put all in a Playfield or a book page etc. you can snapshot those. >> So please tell us what you think is new and exciting! > > How does one find out what is in Etoys? Excellent question. I have no idea how to do that systematically. It's like a medieval castle remodeled again and again into a baroque palace with a thousand hidden rooms. I'm using Squeak for 10+ years now and still find things I didn't know existed. It's that deep. It's somewhat easier to find out what changed in this release compared to the last one year ago, though it's spread all over the place. And not really massaged into easily digestable form. The closest may be http://svn.squeakland.org/installers/NEWS though it skimps on the detail. More detailed is this http://etoys.laptop.org/src/NEWS It also goes further back, to 2006, when we started on the OLPC version. It's excerpted from the full changelogs here http://etoys.laptop.org/src/ For stuff before 2006 I don't think we have detailed changelogs online, though those could (and probably should) be reconstructed. For the big releases on Squeakland we try to do release notes that list the major improvements. This is last year's: http://squeakland.org/download/releaseNotes.jsp but I couldn't find the earlier ones. Would be good to have. - Bert -

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waitTick
by Bert Freudenberg 30 Sep '09

30 Sep '09

On 30.09.2009, at 00:52, squeakland website wrote: > Comment on 'Koch' by <yoshiki> > > ----- > > The best I can do to show the intermediate movement is to go to > textual code and insert "World doOneCycleNow" in the segment: > script. Would be cool to make a stack with a holder and do it all > in Etoys. > > ----- > To view the project page, click ... http://squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=7049 How evil would it be to make this into a tile? ;) - Bert -

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Re: [squeakland] squeakland website translation tasks
by Bert Freudenberg 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Wouldn't the developer's list be more appropriate to discuss this? Why should an Etoys user care? Moving over ... On 29.09.2009, at 22:35, Timothy Falconer wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've added three tasks to the Squeakland tracker to help us as we > translate all of the content on the Squeakland website into every > language we know. > > There's essentially three kinds of text that need translating: > > RESOURCE FILE TEXT ... http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/ > SQ-480 ... sounds like we'll be putting this in Pootle Yes, a converter for Java properties files exists. Also, the gettext tools can even handle them directly. > DATABASE TEXT ... http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-481 This is harder - you probably don't want to give out admin rights to all translators, right? > HARDWIRED TEXT ... http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-482 Couldn't this be translated in regular gettext fashion, which exists for Java? http://www.gnu.org/software/hello/manual/gettext/Java.html Basically, all you need to do is replace "a translatable string" with _ ("a translatable string") throughout the source code. Then tools can both extract the phrases, and translate at runtime. If we want to rely on the OLPC translators community (as we do for Etoys), we have to use gettext. - Bert -

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Favorite new features in Etoys 4
by Bert Freudenberg 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Hi all, I think it would be good to collect and point out some of your favorite new features that we should explicitly tell the others about to try. For example, one thing that should help quite a bit with e.g. documenting is that you can copy-and-paste an object from Etoys into another application. E.g., I just got the halo on a script, pressed Cmd-C, switched to Mail, pressed Cmd-V, and got this: So please tell us what you think is new and exciting! - Bert -

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Slots without watchers
by K. K. Subramaniam 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Hi, In Etoy viewers, some of the slots like bearingTo don't have watchers on them. They don't act like number tiles in assignments. It is disturbing to drop them into assignments and not be able to append arith operators. Is this because of computational load? If so, could a different icon (say yellow menu instead of a white one) be used for such slots? Subbu

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Help: icon for Grab Flood
by K. K. Subramaniam 29 Sep '09

29 Sep '09

Hi, Attached changeset adds a GrabFlood button (like GrabPatch) to the Supplies bin. It is very handy for learning about lines and spaces (esp. negative spaces) in art. I sent an early test version to Susan Guyader and she liked it very much. See http://community.ofset.org/index.php/Grab_area_button I am currently re-using the AddCategoryViewer button. Can someone help me generate a nice icon for this button? I would like to propose the changeset to the tracker once that is in. Thanks .. Subbu

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