etoys-dev September 2009

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Fwd: [ANNOUNCE] Slip of Sucrose 0.86 by one week
by Bert Freudenberg 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

FYI (Etoys is part of Sucrose) - Bert - Begin forwarded message: > From: Simon Schampijer <simon(a)schampijer.de> > Date: 17. September 2009 19:53:35 MESZ > To: Sugar-dev <Sugar-devel(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> > Cc: iaep <iaep(a)lists.sugarlabs.org> > Subject: [IAEP] [ANNOUNCE] Slip of Sucrose 0.86 by one week > > Dear Sugar community, > > today at the Developers Meeting it was decided to enact a one week > slip > of the 0.86 Sucrose release. > > = 0.86 Final release the 25th September = > This is due to the remaining bugs in the stable branch and some > regressions, for example introduced by the switch to Metacity. We > still > think that switch is the right thing to do, so we want to move forward > with this. As well the new toolbar design was a lot of work, but we > are > really convinced that it is worth it. We checked the deadlines of the > distributions (Fedora, Ubuntu, Mandriva etc) and this one week slip > will > not introduce any missed boats. The new release date is September > 25th. > > = Hard Code Freeze = > At Monday the 21th of September we will enter Hard code freeze. No > source code changes can be made without approval from the release- > team. > Translation and documentation can continue. The Hard code freeze will > end with the 24th, but other freezes remain in effect for the stable > branch. This freeze should help to avoid sudden last-minute accidents > which could risk the stability that should have been reached at this > point. > > = Bug Fix releases terminated = > After our final release we will have two bugfix releases, one and two > weeks after the release date. We can add anther coordinated bugfix > release later, when there is feedback from the distributions shipping > Sugar. Of course individual module updates can happen as well. > > = 0.85.7 = > We added another development release for tomorrow, so people can test > the latest tarballs and report back. > > > The updated schedule can be found at > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/0.86/Roadmap#Schedule > > > In the name of the Sugar community, > Your release team

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Re: [etoys-dev] Re: Korean Language in Etoys 4.0 Beta
by Yoshiki Ohshima 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

At Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:12:45 +0900, YunJae Jang wrote: > > Hi Yoshiki & Edward & All ! > > Sorry for the late reply. > > uKoreaFont2.out(in http://squeak.kr/data/FontKoreanEnvironment.sar)is okey! This font is bitmap type. > > And I have four question. > > 1. Can we use the true type font? If we will be able to use ttf, we could send some good ttf(for Hangul). I think for the next release, take the code available at: http://tracker.squeakland.org/browse/SQ-283 as the starting point and add necessary support for multi-platform and some UI and we can confortably switch to a better in-Squeak TrueType support. Before that, loading all glyph information in the image is a bit too expensive in the international setting. For Japanese version, there is an image distributed with TTF loaded, and I believe there is a Korean version like that as well. Hopefully we can provide a better basis for such efforts as well. > 2. How about default font size in Etoys 4.0? The betas at http://squeakland.org/download/ are almost done. So you can check them out. Basically 15 points BitstreamVeraSans is used for most places. > 3. Finally, how you apply to Japanese font in Etoys 4.0? For the official one, similar to Koreans. Bundle the bitmap font for now (but separated Etoys image for Japanese workshop organizers). > BTW, how long I have time for translation Etoys 4.0? One idea is to have 4.0.1 release soon and incorporate the translations. But, 4.0 may not be able to have enough translations, unfortunately. -- Yoshiki

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software meet at 3pm ET on Monday
by Timothy Falconer 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

Hi everyone, We'll be meeting tomorrow at 3pm ET, 11pm PT in IRC on the #etoys channel. The meeting will last one hour, and will be the last group opportunity to discuss the Etoys 4.0 release, which is slotted for next Wednesday. See you then, Tim

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Fwd: [etoys-dev] Re: Korean Language in Etoys 4.0 Beta
by YunJae Jang 17 Sep '09

17 Sep '09

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: YunJae Jang <janggoons(a)gmail.com> Date: 2009/9/17 Subject: Re: [etoys-dev] Re: Korean Language in Etoys 4.0 Beta To: Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki(a)vpri.org> Cc: etoys dev <etoys-dev(a)squeakland.org> Hi Yoshiki & Edward & All ! Sorry for the late reply. uKoreaFont2.out(in http://squeak.kr/data/FontKoreanEnvironment.sar)is okey! This font is bitmap type. And I have four question. 1. Can we use the true type font? If we will be able to use ttf, we could send some good ttf(for Hangul). 2. How about default font size in Etoys 4.0? 3. Finally, how you apply to Japanese font in Etoys 4.0? BTW, how long I have time for translation Etoys 4.0? Thanks you for your interest!! :) On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 5:02 AM, Yoshiki Ohshima <yoshiki(a)vpri.org> wrote: > Hi, YunJae, > > We now decided to bundle some fonts. > Please let me know if http://squeak.kr/data/FontKoreanEnvironment.sar is a > good one that you > would like to use. Thank you! > > -- Yoshiki > -- ===================================== 장윤재 張倫宰 Jang, Yun Jae Dept. Computer Science Education, Korea Univ. MA. Course InC Lab : http://inc.korea.ac.kr InC Email : yunjae.jang(a)inc.korea.ac.kr Email : janggoons(a)gmail.com Web : http://janggoons.kr Twitter : http://twitter.com/janggoon C.P. : +82-10-2658-8712 ===================================== -- ===================================== 장윤재 張倫宰 Jang, Yun Jae Dept. Computer Science Education, Korea Univ. MA. Course InC Lab : http://inc.korea.ac.kr InC Email : yunjae.jang(a)inc.korea.ac.kr Email : janggoons(a)gmail.com Web : http://janggoons.kr Twitter : http://twitter.com/janggoon C.P. : +82-10-2658-8712 =====================================

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More beta coming for 2009summer release?
by Korakurider 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Hello. I 've noticed recent POT change for saving dialog etc in 2279. POs on Pootle right now is 2258 based. Will we have opportunity to translate the strings and test them in beta for 2009 (late) summer release, or will we need to wait for next development cycle (winter release) as we missed the key milestone? /Korakurider

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etoys version numbers
by Timothy Falconer 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Hi everyone, I'd like to hear some discussion about Etoys version numbers. We've long relied on build numbers with rather weak major.minor version consistency. Moving forward, I'm in favor of the way iTunes does it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITunes_version_history (scroll to bottom) In particular, we call generally major releases "Etoys 4" and "Etoys 5", with the internal version numbers having the form 4.1.1. We can still list the build number in the about, but I'm leaning towards not requiring users to even know what that is. Also, I'd like to create a version history for Etoys that puts everything in context and shows that it's a mature product. Both on the website and wikipedia, etc. Etoys 3 is the OLPC one (with toolbar on top). Where's the demarcation between Etoys 1 and 2, and Etoys 2 and 3? Take care, Tim

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Re: Korean Language in Etoys 4.0 Beta
by Bert Freudenberg 15 Sep '09

15 Sep '09

Hi, I'm forwarding this to the Etoys developer list, someone will know the answer :) You may want to subscribe at http://squeakland.org/discuss/etoys-dev/ - Bert - On 24.08.2009, at 09:43, YunJae Jang wrote: > Hi! I'm Korean Squeaker. (JangGoon) > > I have one question about Etoys translation. > > 1. I install Etoys 4.0 beta (http://svn.squeakland.org/installers/Etoys-To-Go-4.0.2253-beta.zip > ), but I can't choose Korean in Language. > > 2. Then, I'm tring to find the ko folder but, ko folder have no > existance in locale folder. > > 3. However, korean translation file(ko.po) exist in sugarlabs pootle > server. (http://translate.sugarlabs.org/ko/etoys) > > 4. How can I use or add to korean Translation in Etoys 4.0 public > release? > > Thanks! > > -- > ===================================== > 장윤재 Jang, Yun Jae > > Dept. Computer Science Education, Korea Univ. > InC Lab : http://inc.korea.ac.kr > InC Email : yunjae.jang(a)inc.korea.ac.kr > > Email : janggoons(a)gmail.com > Blog : http://janggoons.kr > twitter : http://twitter.com/janggoon > C.P. : +82-10-2658-8712 > =====================================

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etoys 4.0 code freeze
by Timothy Falconer 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

Hi all, Just a reminder . . .Etoys 4.0 code freeze is 7am GMT on Saturday (midnight PT). The installers we create then will be "release candidates" for next Wednesday's release. Take care, Tim

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remove the free-standing .gif?
by Scott Wallace 12 Sep '09

12 Sep '09

As people are probably aware, a .png thumbnail of an etoys project is now put inside the outer .pr file, but for the time being we haven't removed the .gif thumbnail that historically has been put placed *alongside* (rather than *within*) the outer .pr file. See: http://tracker.immuexa.com/browse/SQ-274 Several people have advocated removing the .gif file; it clutters up the Squeaklets directory, for one thing, and it's now redundant, and has only been retained for compatibility with Superswiki and possibly Superswiki 2. Now the question arises afresh: should we now stop producing the .gif file -- thus requiring Superswiki and other clients who may be interested in a thumbnail to use the embedded .png file? On the JIRA ticket, in early August, Antonio reported 'That's Masashi answer: "As I seen the code, I think the modification would be quite trivial. I welcome the new, refactored project format."'. So... do people think the time has now come (in advance of final shipment of this summer's release) to remove the .gif? -- Scott

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web chat & logging bot is down
by Timothy Falconer 11 Sep '09

11 Sep '09

Hi everyone, Web chat and our logging bot "waverly" is down ... I suspect freenode blocked the server last night, not sure why. I had a few extra waverly's running around that time (I was fixing a bug), so maybe that's it. Or it could be abuse through the web chat (only works for #etoys, and didn't see anyone new). I sent a request to unblock. Just FYI. Tim -- Timothy Falconer Waveplace Foundation http://waveplace.com 610-797-3100

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