seaside March 2007

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i10n or speed?
by Philippe Marschall 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

Hi Have you ever tried a counter in a recent version of Seaside? I don't know about you but for such a simple application it is way too slow for my taste. As part of the 2.8 cycle we look into ways of making Seaside faster. Attached you will find several traces for the counter application. As you can see, an awful lot of time is spent to convert URLs to String. Of that most time is spent in#encodeForHTTP. So what do you find more important, that Seaside is fast or that is supports non-ascii urls? Cheers Philippe

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[ANN] ShoreComponents 3 - back on Seaside
by Pavel Krivanek 17 Aug '07

17 Aug '07

Hi all, till now ShoreComponents used some special technological properties that helped to solve some general problems of Seaside applications. Unfortunatelly this properties cased that it was not easy to use ShoreComponents with standard Seaside applications. It was possible to use Seaside components in applications based on ShoreComponents but it was almost impossible to use components from ShoreComponents package as supplement of other components. So it was not possible to use it for cooperation with Magritte etc. The third major version of ShoreComponents makes big step in this area and I hope that it will be better and better. Main properies of the next release: - there's no base component class. Components are now based on standard WAComponent - components doesn't require parent reference. They can be created with classical "new" constructor - dynamic variables are used for navigation in hierarchy of components (for specification of target component etc.) - static files are now provided by standard FileLibrary This is the first alpha version so it's far from perfect. The main problem are some form processing issues so some components are not working well. Also nested forms problem is not solved now. Only platform independent part of ShoreComponents is converted now. I hope that you will find it useful and you will find motivation to improve and extend this set of components and use it in your applications. download: http://www.squeaksource.com/ShoreComponents/ -- Pavel

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Seaside mailing-list personnalized google search
by Cédrick Béler 06 Jun '07

06 Jun '07

Hi After seeing what Matthias did for squeak (in general), I did one (google personnalized search) for some mailing-lists and blogs to have a mean to search archives... -squeak-dev -seaside -pier -Lukas's blog -Ramon's blog please have a look and tell me if it's useful, what sites are missing, etc... http://www.google.com/coop/cse?cx=002618798989793947691%3Ade-udmtrcva do you find it useful ? If yes a search box could even be included in the main seaside site... Cédrick

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small seaside image
by Avi Bryant 25 May '07

25 May '07

A while ago I mentioned on this list a stripped 3.7-based Seaside image that was around 7.5MB. A couple of people have emailed me offlist asking for it, and I've finally gotten around to actually putting one up somewhere. You can grab it from: http://smallthought.com/avi/Seaside2.6.zip This includes Scriptaculous and is up to, I think, around 7.8MB now. Let me know if there are any problems getting or using it. Avi

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Re: [Seaside] Working with CSS designers
by Boris Popov 07 May '07

07 May '07

That's pretty much what I had here, image stores all resources and knows how to serve them via /css /i /js, but apache defined these 3 aliases straight to the file system with a copy of the files in deployed environment. In the past week I moved everything to S3 as an experiment and so far it worked out great. Cheers! -Boris (Sent from a BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Sun Mar 11 11:34:43 2007 Subject: Re: [Seaside] Working with CSS designers What I do is take advantage of the fact that Comanche is a full web server. I have a htdocs directory like one would have with apache with an /images directory. I can verify the image can be served just by surfing to it as I would with apache. Then my seaside app can simply reference the resources where they are (e.g. /images/logo.png). If needed, I don't think it would be too hard to configure apache to take over the static content later, but it is nice for speed to just use Comanche while developing. Boris Popov wrote: > > In our experience #2 worked best. Our designer mocks up a page in > html, styles it, I reproduce the code in seaside and voila. All the > styles are linked externally (linktostyle: in updateroot:) although > image is able to serve the files as well to take advantage of source > control as well as simplify develoment setup. In deployment the > resource URL points to an outside server that has a copy of the files. > I'm planning on blogging a little more about the details in the weeks > leadind up to my report at smalltalk solutions too. > > Cheers! > > -Boris > (Sent from a BlackBerry) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion. > <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> > Sent: Sat Mar 10 20:36:50 2007 > Subject: [Seaside] Working with CSS designers > > I'd like to get some ideas on how to work with css editors. How do you > work with them? What is your workflow for receiving and installing > updated css stylesheets? I can think of a few ways, I'm sure there are > more: > > 1. Give them the image and let them run the image locally. > If you do this, what is their workflow updating css files and viewing > content? The only way I can get css to work when running a image locally > is to use FileLibrary and to change the FileLibrary methods themselves. > I haven't been successful finding a way to get seaside/pier to find css > files that are external. Oh.. I take that back. If I use David's > method[1], I can place the css files under FileRoot and the Kom server > finds them. But PNGs referenced in the css files aren't found. Don't > know why. > I guess the css designer would need to deliver the text of the css > methods and the webmaster can install however the web server is serving > the css files. > > 2. Fake it and don't give them anything. Let them create their own html > content for testing. I assume that this is the common practice. > > 3. Give them access to /seaside/<application> so they can toggle the > halos and place css stylesheets using the "Style Editor" halo. As with > #1, I don't know where to place PNG files so that css stylesheets can > actually find the PNGs. Is anybody using this method to change css? > > 4. others? > > I'd like to hear what you do, since you guys have been running seaside > sites much longer than me! > > thanks, > brad > > > == > [1] > http://www.shaffer-consulting.com/david/Seaside/GettingSoftware/index.html) > > -- > brad fuller > http://www.Sonaural.com/ > +1 (408) 799-6124 > > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > Seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > Seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list Seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Seaside and REST
by Andreas Raab 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Hi Folks - I've been toying around with Seaside and there are quite a few things that I don't understand. Since I've been spamming the Squeak list already with some of these questions I figure it's probably about time to move the discussion to this list. Here we go: * RESTful URLs: Philippe pointed me to http://www.lukas-renggli.ch/blog/ which discusses the use of RESTful URLs in Pier. Looking at it I found the dazzlingly cryptic method PRPierFrame>>initialRequest: and gave up on the idea for the time being ;-) Could someone perhaps give a brief outline of what needs to be done to support RESTful URLs in Seaside that both, goes well beyond "it can be done" and stays well short of PRPierFrame's implementation? ;-) * GET vs. POST: One of the things that confused me about the simple counter example already is that it uses POST instead of GET - isn't GET supposed to be idempotent as well as not modifying the requested resource? Can someone explain to me why Seaside uses GET for such requests and not POST? What rules does Seaside have for using GET vs. POST? What happens if a robot ever comes across the counter example? Thanks, - Andreas

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JavaScript editor recommendations?
by Boris Popov 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

I just want something similar to Notepad++ with added formatting capabilities and at lest some concept of navigation aside from the usual Search feature. Nothing too fancy, but as our codebase grows its becoming harder and harder to maintain good control over the file(s). Suggestions? Thanks! -Boris -- +1.604.689.0322 DeepCove Labs Ltd. 4th floor 595 Howe Street Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 boris(a)deepcovelabs.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE This email is intended only for the persons named in the message header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender and delete the entire message including any attachments. Thank you.

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Installation of Magritte on VisualWorks
by Alexandre Buisson 02 Apr '07

02 Apr '07

Hello, I try to load the bundle MagritteForVisualWorks (on VisualWorks) and I have an error during loading I think there is a problem during the loading of SeasideScriptaculous... thanks for your response...

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seaside production traffic rates
by Dale Henrichs 01 Apr '07

01 Apr '07

There has been some recent discussion about various configurations of Seaside applications aimed at handling larger loads. I'm interested in understanding the range of loads people are seeing (or anticipating) in production applications: * number of concurrent users * rate of http requests (peak and average per unit of time) * session expiry seconds used (do you use the default of 600 seconds?) We'd like to incorporate some "real-life" data into our presentation at Smalltalk Solutions in Toronto in a few weeks. Dale

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Re: [Seaside] JavaScript editor recommendations?
by Boris Popov 31 Mar '07

31 Mar '07

Thanks, I will check it out. Cheers! -Boris (Sent from a BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Fri Mar 30 21:58:33 2007 Subject: Re: [Seaside] JavaScript editor recommendations? Someone at work recommended Aptana (http://www.aptana.com/) and I have just started using it. It's Javascript support is nice. It has a tree view of the objects inside. I'm still playing with it, but sofar so good. Before that I used WScite for Javascript and know what you mean by code getting out of control. Hope this Helps -- Blaine Boris Popov-2 wrote: > > I just want something similar to Notepad++ with added formatting > capabilities and at lest some concept of navigation aside from the usual > Search feature. Nothing too fancy, but as our codebase grows its > becoming harder and harder to maintain good control over the file(s). > > Suggestions? > > Thanks! > > -Boris > > -- > +1.604.689.0322 > DeepCove Labs Ltd. > 4th floor 595 Howe Street > Vancouver, Canada V6C 2T5 > http://tinyurl.com/r7uw4 > > boris(a)deepcovelabs.com > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > This email is intended only for the persons named in the message > header. Unless otherwise indicated, it contains information that is > private and confidential. If you have received it in error, please > notify the sender and delete the entire message including any > attachments. > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________ > Seaside mailing list > Seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > > -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/JavaScript-editor-recommendations--tf3474209.html#a97… Sent from the Squeak - Seaside mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Seaside mailing list Seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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