seaside June 2008

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SEO and Seaside
by Richard Eng 27 Apr '09

27 Apr '09

Is Seaside/Squeak SEO-friendly? My website isn't showing up in any search results on Google, Yahoo!, or MSN. Apparently, spiders have a hard time scanning my website. Perhaps because of the "dynamic" nature of the application? Thanks, Richard

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[ANN] Call for contributors
by stephane ducasse 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

We are looking for presentations...and we want to create a cool event in Europe around Smalltalk. Do not wait the last moment to send your presentation. This is at ESUG that Lukas and Adrian presented the first Seaside talk in Europe :) Stef > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > 16th International Smalltalk Joint Conference - Call for Contributions > > August 25-29, 2008 - Amsterdam, the Netherlands > > http://www.esug.org/conferences/2008/ > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For the past 16 years, the European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG) has > organised the International Smalltalk Conference, a lively forum on > cutting edge software technologies that attract people from both > academia and industry for a whole week. The attendees are both > engineers using Smalltalk in business and students and teachers > using Smalltalk both for research and didactic purposes. > > As every year, this year's edition of the largest European Smalltalk > event will include the regular Smalltalk developers conference with > renowned invited speakers, a Smalltalk camp that proves fruitful for > interactions and discussions. Besides, this year will be held the > 4th edition of the Innovation Technology Awards where prizes will be > awarded to authors of best pieces of Smalltalk-related projects. > > You can support the ESUG conference in many different ways: > > * Sponsor the conference. New sponsoring packages are described at http://www.esug.org/supportesug/becomeasponsor/ > * Submit a talk, a software or a paper to one of the events. See > below. > * Attend the conference. We'd like to beat the previous record of > attendance (116 people at Köthen, Germany in 2004)! > * Students can get free registration and hosting if they enroll > into the the Student Volunteers program. See below. > > The conference features the following events: > > * Camp Smalltalk - There will be a Smalltalk camp the 23-24th of > august > * Developers Forum > * Technology Forum > > Developers Forum : International Smalltalk Developers Conference > ------------------ > This year we are looking for YOUR experience on using Smalltalk. The > list of topics includes, but is not limited to the following: > > * XP practices > * Development tools > * Experience reports > * Model driven development > * Web development > * Team management > * Meta-Modeling > * Security > * New libraries & frameworks > * Educational material > * Embedded systems and robotics > * SOA and Web services > * Interaction with other programming languages > > Submissions due on 1st June 2008 > Notification of acceptance on 15 of June 2008 > More information at http://www.esug.org/conferences/2008 > > How to sumbit? > ------------------ > Pay attention: the places are limited so do not wait till the last > minute to apply. Prospective presenters should submit a request to esug-info(a)esug.orgfollowing > the template below. Please use this template since the email will > be automatically processed! > > Subject: [ESUG 2008 Developers] + your name > > First Name: > > Last Name: > > Email where you can always be reached: > > Title: > > Abstract: > > Bio: > > Any presentation not respecting this form will be discarded > automatically > > > Technology Forum > ------------------ > We are proud to announce the 4th Innovation Technology Awards. The > top 3 teams with the most innovative software will receive, > respectively, 500 Euros, 300 Euros and 200 Euros during an awards > ceremony at the conference. Developers of any Smalltalk-based > software are welcome to compete. > More information at http://www.esug.org/conferences/2008 > > Student Volunteer Program > ------------------ > If you are a student wanting to attend ESUG, have you considered > being a student volunteer? Student volunteers help keep the > conference running smoothly; in return, they have free > accommodations, while still having most of the time to enjoy the > conference. > More information at > http://www.esug.org/conferences/2008 http://www.esug.org/conferences/16thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference20… > > > We hope to see you there and have fun together. > > > > >

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Encoding question
by Andres Fortier 08 Jul '08

08 Jul '08

Hi list, maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that Seaside is not able to render accented characters (like 'á,é,í...' etc) and other spacial cases. I've been looking around and ended up in the WAHtmlEncoder class, which redefines #encode:on: for just a few cases, not for all the special character in range 0..255. Am I right here? Is there a standard extension for this? -- Thanks, Andrés

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[SeasideXUL] How to move changes from Editable Tree to Component
by Milan Zimmermann 06 Jul '08

06 Jul '08

Hi Pavel, New to both seaside and SeasideXUL, my questions should be in a (xul)Seaside newbies list... I have a small test application that has a SearchResultComponent. The Search performs a Search action that finds data, puts them in the ResultComponent's model (ResultComponent is rendered as editable tree); ResultComponent is then rerendered by calling "SearchResultComponent refresh". Next I want the application user be able to edit cells in the editable ResultComponent tree, move the modified values into the ResultComponent model and save. I am trying to achieve moving the values by registering a callback with a "Save" menu item on the ResultComponent, which would obtain updated data from the edited tree. If the description above is somewhat clear, a few questions: is moving modified data from the XUL tree doable without wrapping the Result into a form; and in either case, is there an example or code I can look at? I did look at the XULPeriodicTableForms and tried to get "Save" in my example work a similar way (with and without form) but failed so far. I can paste my code experiments but I thought I should first ask for high level suggestions and help, Thanks Milan

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requests and encodings (was Re: fix for issue 21)
by Julian Fitzell 05 Jul '08

05 Jul '08

Moving to seaside-dev... On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:56 PM, Philippe Marschall <philippe.marschall(a)gmail.com> wrote: > 2008/6/27, Julian Fitzell <julian(a)fitzell.ca>: >> On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Philippe Marschall >> <philippe.marschall(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > 2008/6/26, Julian Fitzell <julian(a)fitzell.ca>: >> >> - I wonder whether we should add a "path" instVar to WARequest. >> >> Currently the (unfortunately-named) "url" instvar doesn't provide any >> >> way to tell the difference between a '/' and a '%2f' in the original >> >> URL. I broke my fix up into two methods so that we could store the >> >> result of #pathSegmentsFrom: in another instvar. >> > >> > Ideally IMHO "url" would hold a WAUrl that is the request URL parsed. >> > I don't know though if this is enough and what it all will break. >> > Right now "url" is also always utf-8 decoded which made me create >> > issue 79. >> >> >> Well, I thought that too but it would kind of break things to change >> it from a string to a WAUrl. Also, after more thought, I realized that >> an HTTP request doesn't have a protocol, port, or (necessarily) >> server. > > Yes it does. The server is in the HOST header. The protocol is either > http or https we can get this from the configuration. Same for the > port. Yeah, ok, I suppose you /could/ fake it with the information from the configuration (there is no Host: header in HTTP/1.0 but that's likely not a big problem these days). Is that misleading though since the user might actually have connected differently (particularly for an initial connection where seaside's configuration doesn't enter into the equation? You could also presumably find the port and protocol of the Kom connection from Kom itself somehow... In either case, it seems to me that changing #url from a string to a WAUrl would break existing code. Maybe it's desirable... not a difficult fix to code that does break and it would probably break pretty obviously. >> >> - do you know if the header values in HTTPRequest also need to be >> >> decoded? They aren't currently and I don't know if they support UTF-8 >> >> values or not... >> > >> > If they are really UTF-8 that would be good. An example is cookie >> > values which are transmitted through headers. See also issue 63. >> > Before adding such a thing, please make sure it really works with IE >> > 6, Firefox 2, Safari 2 and Opera 9 with utf-8, ISO-8859-1 and utf-16. >> > Ideally also Big5 and Shift JIS though I have to admit I never tested >> > with those. Unfortunately the HTTP spec/theory and browsers/reality >> > are different. >> >> >> Are you suggesting auto-detecting the encoding of headers sent by the >> browser? > > No not at all. But in Seaside 2.9 we now know the encoding oft the web > application. Even if there is a spec, you will simply have to try all > browsers with at least iso-8859-1 and utf-8. Either there is a rule or > we can't support it. It's as simple as that. A short googling suggests > that headers are ASCII. We might or might not want to support a custom > encoding for cookie values. > >> I don't think the browser specifies an encoding in the >> headers does it? I'm not sure I want to tackle this mess right now but >> I'll keep it in mind. :) > > It can, in the content-type header. Not that it often does. > >> I'd have to think about this more but if we are supporting all those >> encodings, wouldn't it be nice to have a pair of encoders: one for >> what we want our Response encoding to be and one for the encoding we >> want to use internally (convert Request data *TO* and Response data >> *from*). So you could use a UTF-8 converter for "outside" and a Squeak >> encoding converter for "inside"; all incoming data would be converted >> to Squeak encoding and anything going out would be converted from >> Squeak encoding to UTF-8. If you had UTF-8 encoders for both then you >> wouldn't have to do any encoding going out but incoming might still >> have to be converted to UTF-8 if it was, for example, UTF-16. > > No, internally we ideally want only Squeak/Smalltalk encoding. > Otherwise we can throw String away and just use ByteArray. The problem > is that WideStrings are bugged and slow and for legacy reasons we have > to support "null encoding". Everything else is insanity. Same goes for > using utf-8 internally and utf-16 externally. Second for some external > parts (like URLs) the external ecoding is given. It doesn't appear quite that simple to me... if you have data in UTF format in a database, you might well prefer to use UTF encoding internally (or at very least be able to specify the encoding of that data when giving it to the canvas). Does squeak encoding doesn't support anything outside basic accented characters does it? Same goes for incoming form data if you have to put it in a database... you don't want to be putting it in in Squeak encoding. Julian

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Gemstone / Smalltalk Developer
by Brian Kim 01 Jul '08

01 Jul '08

Hi all, My name is Brian and I work for a start-up based in Southern California. We have a passionate team developing next generation location applications for mobile phones, starting with the iPhone. We're super excited about our projects and the technologies that we are using to build them. We are building an innovative social database application and looking into utilizing Gemstone/S, Seaside, and Magritte. We have a lead developer who is familiar with these languages as well, but we want to bring in someone very talented to head this application while we focus on expanding to more platforms. We have full time and contract work available depending on schedule and preferences. If you are interested, please feel free to contact Mahmoud (contact info below). We'd love to meet or have a phone call to talk about details. Mahmoud Hafez mhafez(a)proximi.com www.proximi.com 661-645-1873 Thank you!

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Re: [Seaside] Gemstone / Smalltalk Developer
by Boris Popov 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

But still, until the job market improves to the point of dozens of emails a day, I don't see a problem with just emailing a list, which is where your best chance of finding someone actually is on top of posting to job sites etc. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ________________________________ From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org To: Seaside - general discussion Sent: Sun Jun 29 17:50:13 2008 Subject: Re: [Seaside] Gemstone / Smalltalk Developer And, you can put together a Yahoo Pipe to filter those and then email results to you. Yahoo Pipes is so cool. On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:09 PM, Randal L. Schwartz <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> wrote: >>>>> "Todd" == Todd Blanchard <tblanchard(a)mac.com> writes: Todd> Not instead of please - I don't watch websites - too hard to track what Todd> is new, I do watch email lists. So you aren't subscribing to anything via RSS either? There are RSS feeds on this site, including some very specialized entries. I mean, if you're not even watching RSS, you make my old-school biases look like I'm a web 2.0 baby. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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[SeasideXUL] View->Page Source in browser shows XUL as one long line
by Milan Zimmermann 29 Jun '08

29 Jun '08

Pavel, A minor note, View->Page Source in Firefox 3 (I think also all older versions) show XUL as one long line. It would be neat if it has some newline/whitespace formatting so it does not have to be pasted into a editor for viewing. Thanks Milan

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help us announce esug08
by Mathieu van Echtelt 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

[Apologies for multiple copies] Hi all, We made an email to inform potential enthusiasts about Esug'08. (looking at the program, we think esug'08 will become very interesting) If you know any person/mailinglist/blog you would like to inform too, feel free and use the Esug-announcement email below. (One is in English, the other is in Dutch) We already had some success, e.g. the dutch rubyonrails community has put our announcement on their website: www.rubyenrails.nl, with their own introduction: "...if you want to see the much discussed Maglev VM or the legendary seaside framework, go to..." These lists/groups already received an email from us: - EAPLS - IvI (UvA) - cwi-all - IPA list - se-world - University Delft - Holland open source - Meta-user list - Viewpoints FONC - Rubyenrails.nl - Xp-nl list - Squeak list - Weekly Squeak - VisualWork NC list - University Twente Thanks, Mathieu van Echtelt Tijs van der Storm (local esug08 organizers) English version: ---- [Apologies for multiple copies] Dear software engineer, End of August, a unique conference will take place in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. This conference is organized by the European Smalltalk User Group (ESUG). Smalltalk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk) is a dynamic and reflective language exercising a continuing influence on historic and current developments in programming languages and software technology. This year celebrates the 16th edition of the ESUG conference, which features more than 40 presentations on, among others, the following subjects: Programming Language Platforms: - Newspeak (New open source dynamic language focusing on modularity, security and interoperability) - Cog (New highly optimized open source Squeak VM) - Maglev (Highly scalable Ruby VM) - OpenCroquet (Deeply collaborative, multi-user online Smalltalk development environment) Web Frameworks: - Seaside (The continuation & component-based web framework) - WebVelocity - AidaWeb (Smalltalk Web Application Server) - WebTerminal Model Driven Engineering: - The Meta Environment Language Workbench - ObjectStudio ModelingTool - Fame; Meta-modeling Framework - MBA Smalltalk; to manage your objects Additionally, the winners of the ABN Amro sponsored Innovation Awards will be presented. Are you interested in the latest developments in dynamic languages and Web development, be sure to register as soon as possible at http://www.esug.org. Important information: Conference website: http://www.esug.org/conferences/16thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference20… Time: Augustus 25-29, 2008 Venue: Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica (CWI), Kruislaan 413, Amsterdam, Turing Zaal. Directions: http://www.cwi.nl/about/directions.html Hope to see you at ESUG'08! Kind regards [put your name here] Dutch Version: --- (excuses voor meervoudige kopieen) Beste software engineer, Eind augustus vind er unieke conferentie plaats in Amsterdam. Deze wordt georganiseerd door de Europese Smalltalk gebruikersgroep (ESUG). Smalltalk (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smalltalk) is een dynamische en reflexieve programmeertaal met een groot verleden en veel invloed op de huidige en toekomstige ontwikkeling van programmeertalen en technologien. Dit jaar is alweer de 16e ESUG conferentie en zullen er ruim 40 presentaties zijn met onder andere de volgende onderwerpen: Programming language platforms: - Newspeak (New open source dynamic language focusing on modularity, security and interoperability) - Cog (New highly optimized open source Squeak VM) - Maglev (Highly scalable Ruby VM) - OpenCroquet (Deeply collaborative, multi-user online Smalltalk development environment) Web Frameworks: - Seaside (The continuation & component-based web framework) - WebVelocity - AidaWeb (Smalltalk Web Application Server) - WebTerminal Model Driven Engineering: - The Meta Environment Language Workbench - ObjectStudio ModelingTool - Fame; Meta-modeling Framework - MBA Smalltalk; to manage your objects Ook zullen er Innovation Awards worden uitgereikt (gesponsord door de ABN Amro). Ben je geinteresseerd in de laatste ontwikkelingen van dynamische programmeertalen en webdevelopment, schrijf je dan zo snel mogelijk in op http://www.esug.org. Belangrijk informatie: Conferentie website: http://www.esug.org/conferences/16thinternationalsmalltalkjointconference20… Wanneer: Augustus 25-29, 2008 Waar: Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica (CWI), Kruislaan 413, Amsterdam, Turing Zaal. Routebeschrijving zie: http://www.cwi.nl/about/directions.html Hopelijk tot ziens op ESUG'08! Vriendelijke groet, [put your name here] -- AG5 - Product manager

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mime type
by Diogenes Moreira 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Hi my folk, I need set the http header of a component. in another lenguage i can set liki this Response.AddHeadder ("content-type", "application/xls") But im don't how set this property in the commanche response. Any can send me a any could Thankyou in advance, sorry for my English --- Amigo Necesito setear los http de un component... No se como hacerlo en otros lenguajes puede hacer algo asi: Response.AddHeadder ("content-type", "application/xls") Alguna pista. Gracias por adelantado

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