seaside May 2011

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hudson for seaside broken [WAS] Fwd: [Pharo-project] [Hudson] Updates
by Mariano Martinez Peck 06 Jun '11

06 Jun '11

I guess Dale could take a look when he comes from holidays cheers mariano ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Marcus Denker <marcus.denker(a)inria.fr> Date: Mon, May 9, 2011 at 11:40 AM Subject: [Pharo-project] [Hudson] Updates To: An open mailing list to discuss any topics related to an open-source Smalltalk <Pharo-project(a)lists.gforge.inria.fr> Hudson Updates ============= -> I fixed the build of 1.2 Full. For the Future, I would like to establish a new rule that a failing project is removed (with all its dependencies) from Hudson after 2 weeks of faling builds. A Project with a failing build over a long has proven to the world that nobody is interested in it. In addition, automatic builds don't make sense if they are broken all the time. -> Pharo Clients now are build for 1.3 in addition to 1.2 https://pharo-ic.lille.inria.fr/hudson/view/Pharo-Clients/ NOTE: Seaside is broken. This is due to MetaCello config that needs to be done for 1.3. It would be nice if someone would take the lead in fixing this. Marcus -- Marcus Denker -- http://www.marcusdenker.de INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD. -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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Using meaningful links
by Scott Gibson 06 Jun '11

06 Jun '11

I am looking to provide the ability within my Seaside app to send emails with meaningful links that could be selected in order to access a particular component view. I believe that this is possible but I am unsure how so with Seaside. What are some good approaches to this? Right now I am looking at a couple of features that need this, both involve using links in emails that are sent out. For example: - to provide a user login acknowledgement function where an email is sent to a new user in order to confirm their email address - the ability for an admin to select a link in an notification email in order to pull up a new user that the link references and do their work Thanks! Scott Gibson

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Should I become a Seasider?
by Ralph Boland 04 Jun '11

04 Jun '11

This post is about making a living as a web developer using Seaside. I am an unemployed software developer in Calgary (1,000,000 people), Alberta, Canada. I have used Squeak for years but I have found no Smalltalk work in Calgary and in fact know of only one small company in Calgary that uses Smalltalk. I know very little about Seaside. My impression is that websites developed using Seaside are somewhat slower than with other web development tools and that Seaside uses more memory (I assume on the server side) than other web development tools. Nevertheless there are web developers using Seaside successfully. Are these impressions correct? What I am wondering is should I learn Seaside and then attempt to sell my web development services in Calgary? My impression is that: 1) No one in Calgary has ever heard of Seaside so selling my services would be difficult. 2) Since I should be able to develop web sites faster using Seaside I should be able to offer my services at a discount and hopefully be able to find business that way. But since no one but myself (at least locally) would be able to maintain the web sites, potential customers are going to be very shy. Are these impressions correct? Lets assume I decide to become a web developer (something I know almost nothing about) using Seaside as my competitive edge. To my knowledge I would be the only Seaside web developer in Calgary. 1) How long (starting basically from scratch) is it going to take before I am competent; or at least competent enough to seek clients? Assume I am a competent Squeak developer. 2) Which version(s) of Smalltalk should I use? I know Squeak and have used Visualworks in the distant past. 3) How screwed will my clients be if my ticker stops unexpectedly. Can Seaside developers from outside Calgary pick up the slack for my hypothetical clients? 4) Is there any areas within the web development would that I should concentrate on or avoid? 5) Is there any additional software/hardware that I would need other than my home computer (running Ubuntu) and Squeak/Seaside? My resources for investments is very limited. Are there other questions that I should have asked? Starting a business is generally a tough deal so please don't butter me up with glowing reviews of Seaside. Regards, Ralph Boland

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Handling errors - staging/production
by Francois Stephany 03 Jun '11

03 Jun '11

What is the preferred way to handle errors on a production seaside application? Is there some kind of http://www.hoptoadapp.com/ to handle applications crashes/walkback? How do you typically do to handle errors? Cheers, Francois

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Which image for deployment?
by Sean P. DeNigris 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

What is the preferred Pharo image for production deployment? I've seen quite a few options: * stripping a Seaside image from the seaside site * loading Seaside via Metacello into Pharo (although I got an error in Pharo 1.2.2-12353) * the Pharo + Seaside image on the Pharo hudson server Also, where can I read about how to strip and secure an image for deployment? I know I've seen info on the lists, but couldn't find anything in Pharo By Example, the Seaside book, or Pharo's CollaborActive book. Thanks. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Which-image-for-deployment-tp3559528p3559528.html Sent from the Seaside General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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Re: [Seaside] Which image for deployment?
by Davorin Rusevljan 31 May '11

31 May '11

I would also like to hear what others think, but there is also one more option: pier image built by jenkins.lukas-renggli.ch Davorin Rusevljan http;//www.cloud208.com/ On May 29, 2011 11:32 PM, "Sean P. DeNigris" <sean(a)clipperadams.com> wrote: What is the preferred Pharo image for production deployment? I've seen quite a few options: * stripping a Seaside image from the seaside site * loading Seaside via Metacello into Pharo (although I got an error in Pharo 1.2.2-12353) * the Pharo + Seaside image on the Pharo hudson server Also, where can I read about how to strip and secure an image for deployment? I know I've seen info on the lists, but couldn't find anything in Pharo By Example, the Seaside book, or Pharo's CollaborActive book. Thanks. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Which-image-for-deployment-tp3559528p3559528.html Sent from the Seaside General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Increasing the performances of a Seaside application
by Olivier Auverlot 30 May '11

30 May '11

Hello, In the next weeks, I hope that I will start my first application with Seaside. The first version is ready. It's a set of REST web services. Now, I'm doing differents stress tests for evaluating the charge that my product can support. I'm using Pharo 1.2.1, Seaside, Seaside-REST, SqueakDBX, LDAPlayer and XML-Parser. For the connector, I use AJPPharoAdaptator for the link between my program and Apache. Have you ideas or good practices for optimising the performances of a Seaside application ? Of course, I can installing my application on differents servers and made load balancing but I think that the first thing that I must improve is the code himself. Working faster with a database and a LDAP are the first problems that I want resolve. Someone worked on the pools of connections ? What are the errors that I must avoid making ? It's a large subject but it could be benefit to share experience in the search of performance. Best regards Olivier ;-) www.auverlot.fr

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Simple Image-based Persistence
by Sean P. DeNigris 30 May '11

30 May '11

With Ramon's permission, I packaged up the code from his much-referenced blog post, including the extension methods, and put it on SqueakSource as MIT. http://www.squeaksource.com/SimplePersistence I've just started using it myself and writing some tests (I think 2 so far, ha ha). Enjoy. Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Simple-Image-based-Persistence-tp3559944p3559944.html Sent from the Seaside General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

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SIXX sixxIgnorableInstVarNames [WAS] Re: [Seaside] ESUG SummerTalk - Fuel, binary object serializer
by Mariano Martinez Peck 29 May '11

29 May '11

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:55 AM, Runar Jordahl <runar.jordahl(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Interesting project. There are so many uses for object serializers. > Personally I am looking at storing objects in NoSQL databases, and > serializing them is an option that will work in a lot of cases. Using > a serializer for copying objects is also useful. > > Does Fuel support “cutting off” instance variables, like SIXX’s > Object>>sixxIgnorableInstVarNames ? > > Runar, could you please tell us how that is done? how such method looks like? MyClass >> sixxIgnorableInstVarNames ^ #('age' 'blah') ? Second, what happens are serialization time? SIXX puts a nil ? and at materialization? when the object is created from the XML you get a nil in those instVars ? And of course, you implement Objet >> sixxIgnorableInstVarNames ^ () ? Yes I know....I can take the code and look by myself...but not time now :( Thanks Mariano I always thought SIXX > (http://www.mars.dti.ne.jp/~umejava/smalltalk/sixx/index.html ) was > state-of-the-art in this field. It seems to have many features, and it > is supported on many dialects. Are your ideas so great that it really > makes sense to create yet another serializer? Wouldn’t improving SIXX > be better? > > Runar > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > -- Mariano http://marianopeck.wordpress.com

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WARegistry
by Julian Fitzell 29 May '11

29 May '11

Hi list, I'm playing with some ideas at the moment and someone asked whether we shouldn't get rid of WARegistry in the process. Are many people using or subclassing WARegistry? If you are, could you share what you're doing with it? Cheers, Julian

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