I would hope so seeing as that's where majority of development is happening right now and cincom focus will first be on better integration and only then on seaside itself if I understand correctly.
Cheers!
-Boris (Sent from a BlackBerry)
----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: Seaside - general discussion seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wed Jun 20 22:37:01 2007 Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was: [Seaside]Seasidefor VisualWorks]
So the current development model with development happening in Squeak and versions for other dialects being "generated" from there will stay?
Philippe
2007/6/21, Michael Lucas-Smith mlucas-smith@cincom.com:
Yes, that's very high on the list of laws for this project. We're not forking Seaside.
Michael
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Hi Michael,
I'd like to see Cincom maintain squeak compatibility.
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lucas-Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:15 PM To: Seaside - general discussion Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was: [Seaside] Seasidefor VisualWorks]
Some UI testing tool like Watir (Ruby, see [1][2]) or Albatross (Squeak, see [3][4])on VW would be nice. I am aware of the Seaside Testing Tool from David Shaffer[5], but a framework capable of replaying JS scripts and showing the stuff
happening
in some browser would be nice - both for the test driven developers and their customers.
Maybe guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside would be an option?
This is nice. When we did web testing before I moved to Cincom we utilised the known properties of the server side code instead of bouncing back to the web browser itself. Mostly because of: a) Speed of running the tests b) Ease of writing the tests
In the end we wanted to do testing like this - so I whole heartedly support this idea. It's going on to the project backlog. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Cheers, Michael
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Our initial efforts will be in making sure the port is solid so that we don't end up focusing on hundreds of microfires trying to support it. Michel Bany has done an excellent job of this so far so the initial effort should hopefully be low.
Improvements there-in come in two forms: New libraries that use Seaside of the ilk of ShoreComponents, where it's on top of Seaside and doesn't change seaside. The other form being improvements to Seaside itself. The latter we intend to avoid in principle to keep compatibility with what Seaside is. I'm sure enhancements will trickle back and forth.
And as to the burning question of are the Cincom guys going to use Squeak instead of VisualWorks? funny question, kind of loaded. Obviously we'll be using both.
Cheers, Michael
Boris Popov wrote:
I would hope so seeing as that's where majority of development is happening right now and cincom focus will first be on better integration and only then on seaside itself if I understand correctly.
Cheers!
-Boris (Sent from a BlackBerry)
----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: Seaside - general discussion seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wed Jun 20 22:37:01 2007 Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was: [Seaside]Seasidefor VisualWorks]
So the current development model with development happening in Squeak and versions for other dialects being "generated" from there will stay?
Philippe
2007/6/21, Michael Lucas-Smith mlucas-smith@cincom.com:
Yes, that's very high on the list of laws for this project. We're not forking Seaside.
Michael
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Hi Michael,
I'd like to see Cincom maintain squeak compatibility.
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Michael Lucas-Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:15 PM To: Seaside - general discussion Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was: [Seaside] Seasidefor VisualWorks]
Some UI testing tool like Watir (Ruby, see [1][2]) or Albatross
(Squeak,
see [3][4])on VW would be nice. I am aware of the Seaside Testing Tool from David Shaffer[5], but a framework capable of replaying JS scripts and showing the stuff
happening
in some browser would be nice - both for the test driven
developers and
their customers.
Maybe guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside would be an option?
This is nice. When we did web testing before I moved to Cincom we utilised the known properties of the server side code instead of bouncing back to the web browser itself. Mostly because of: a) Speed of running the tests b) Ease of writing the tests
In the end we wanted to do testing like this - so I whole heartedly support this idea. It's going on to the project backlog. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Cheers, Michael
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I was searching my old emails for Albatross references w/ regards to VW and found this as the only thread.. Any ideas on where things stand at this point? I didn't see any references to Albatross in the public store so I'll assume its still a no-go -- correct? I'd love to see Albatross going on this platform.. Anyway, just figured it wouldn't hurt to ask..
On Wed, June 20, 2007 11:51 pm, Michael Lucas-Smith wrote:
Our initial efforts will be in making sure the port is solid so that we don't end up focusing on hundreds of microfires trying to support it. Michel Bany has done an excellent job of this so far so the initial effort should hopefully be low.
Improvements there-in come in two forms: New libraries that use Seaside of the ilk of ShoreComponents, where it's on top of Seaside and doesn't change seaside. The other form being improvements to Seaside itself. The latter we intend to avoid in principle to keep compatibility with what Seaside is. I'm sure enhancements will trickle back and forth.
And as to the burning question of are the Cincom guys going to use Squeak instead of VisualWorks? funny question, kind of loaded. Obviously we'll be using both.
Cheers, Michael
Boris Popov wrote:
I would hope so seeing as that's where majority of development is happening right now and cincom focus will first be on better integration and only then on seaside itself if I understand correctly.
Cheers!
-Boris (Sent from a BlackBerry)
----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: Seaside - general discussion seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wed Jun 20 22:37:01 2007 Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was: [Seaside]Seasidefor VisualWorks]
So the current development model with development happening in Squeak and versions for other dialects being "generated" from there will stay?
Philippe
2007/6/21, Michael Lucas-Smith mlucas-smith@cincom.com:
Yes, that's very high on the list of laws for this project. We're not forking Seaside.
Michael
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Hi Michael,
I'd like to see Cincom maintain squeak compatibility.
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Lucas-Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:15 PM To: Seaside - general discussion Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was:
[Seaside]
Seasidefor VisualWorks]
Some UI testing tool like Watir (Ruby, see [1][2]) or Albatross
(Squeak,
see [3][4])on VW would be nice. I am aware of the Seaside Testing Tool from David Shaffer[5], but
a
framework capable of replaying JS scripts and showing the stuff
happening
in some browser would be nice - both for the test driven
developers and
their customers.
Maybe guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside would be an option?
This is nice. When we did web testing before I moved to Cincom we utilised the known properties of the server side code instead of bouncing back to the web browser itself. Mostly because of: a) Speed of running the tests b) Ease of writing the tests
In the end we wanted to do testing like this - so I whole heartedly support this idea. It's going on to the project backlog. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Cheers, Michael
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The request/response loop has been rewritten to not rely on Kom anymore but only on Seaside. It's now at the point where you can file it out, file it into VW, chance the reference to ExternalWebBrowser and see what happens.
Cheers Philippe
2008/6/24 Rick Flower rickf@ca-flower.com:
I was searching my old emails for Albatross references w/ regards to VW and found this as the only thread.. Any ideas on where things stand at this point? I didn't see any references to Albatross in the public store so I'll assume its still a no-go -- correct? I'd love to see Albatross going on this platform.. Anyway, just figured it wouldn't hurt to ask..
On Wed, June 20, 2007 11:51 pm, Michael Lucas-Smith wrote:
Our initial efforts will be in making sure the port is solid so that we don't end up focusing on hundreds of microfires trying to support it. Michel Bany has done an excellent job of this so far so the initial effort should hopefully be low.
Improvements there-in come in two forms: New libraries that use Seaside of the ilk of ShoreComponents, where it's on top of Seaside and doesn't change seaside. The other form being improvements to Seaside itself. The latter we intend to avoid in principle to keep compatibility with what Seaside is. I'm sure enhancements will trickle back and forth.
And as to the burning question of are the Cincom guys going to use Squeak instead of VisualWorks? funny question, kind of loaded. Obviously we'll be using both.
Cheers, Michael
Boris Popov wrote:
I would hope so seeing as that's where majority of development is happening right now and cincom focus will first be on better integration and only then on seaside itself if I understand correctly.
Cheers!
-Boris (Sent from a BlackBerry)
----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org To: Seaside - general discussion seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org Sent: Wed Jun 20 22:37:01 2007 Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was: [Seaside]Seasidefor VisualWorks]
So the current development model with development happening in Squeak and versions for other dialects being "generated" from there will stay?
Philippe
2007/6/21, Michael Lucas-Smith mlucas-smith@cincom.com:
Yes, that's very high on the list of laws for this project. We're not forking Seaside.
Michael
Ron Teitelbaum wrote:
Hi Michael,
I'd like to see Cincom maintain squeak compatibility.
Ron Teitelbaum
-----Original Message----- From: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside- bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] On Behalf Of Michael
Lucas-Smith
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 5:15 PM To: Seaside - general discussion Subject: Re: Guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside? [was:
[Seaside]
Seasidefor VisualWorks]
> Some UI testing tool like Watir (Ruby, see [1][2]) or Albatross
(Squeak,
> see [3][4])on VW would be nice. > I am aware of the Seaside Testing Tool from David Shaffer[5], but
a
> framework capable of replaying JS scripts and showing the stuff > happening
> in some browser would be nice - both for the test driven
developers and
> their customers. > > Maybe guiding the Albatross to the VW-Seaside would be an option? > > This is nice. When we did web testing before I moved to Cincom we utilised the known properties of the server side code instead of bouncing back to the web browser itself. Mostly because of: a) Speed of running the tests b) Ease of writing the tests
In the end we wanted to do testing like this - so I whole heartedly support this idea. It's going on to the project backlog. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
Cheers, Michael
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