A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
---- Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science whitney@cs.sdsu.edu San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 (619) 583-1978 (Cell) (217) 390-6012
Yep, although I'd feel better if I had a publisher. I'm used to running outlines by them (though I did my first book on spec, so it's not unknown).
===Blake===
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:35:06 -0700, Roger Whitney whitney@cs.sdsu.edu wrote:
A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science whitney@cs.sdsu.edu San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 (619) 583-1978 (Cell) (217) 390-6012
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You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build a publishing site. :-)
If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point.
Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the middleman and everybody else benefits.
Victor
=====================================================
Blake wrote:
Yep, although I'd feel better if I had a publisher. I'm used to running outlines by them (though I did my first book on spec, so it's not unknown).
===Blake===On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:35:06 -0700, Roger Whitney whitney@cs.sdsu.edu wrote:
A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
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Hi Victor, I really like what I'm hearing. In addition to that, I would like to say that Lulu.com can assist with the publishing of the actual book. Good luck,
-Conrad
On 10/15/07, Victor vmgoldberg@verizon.net wrote:
You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build a publishing site. :-)
If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point.
Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the middleman and everybody else benefits.
Victor
=====================================================
Blake wrote:
Yep, although I'd feel better if I had a publisher. I'm used to running outlines by them (though I did my first book on spec, so it's not
unknown).
===Blake===On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 19:35:06 -0700, Roger Whitney whitney@cs.sdsu.edu wrote:
A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
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Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor vmgoldberg@verizon.net wrote:
You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build a publishing site. :-)
Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and also some dead trees.<s>
(Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a number of ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.)
If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point.
Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the middleman and everybody else benefits.
I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would probably be uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good language person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and pay!) those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. (And I use "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.)
Autopublishing has advantages, but publishing via traditional means also have advantages. Besides having an editor having a Seaside book in the shelves of bookstores would improve Seaside's visibility.
On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Blake wrote:
Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor vmgoldberg@verizon.net wrote:
You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build a publishing site. :-)
Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and also some dead trees.<s>
(Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a number of ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.)
If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point.
Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the middleman and everybody else benefits.
I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would probably be uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good language person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and pay!) those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. (And I use "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.) _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
---- Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science whitney@cs.sdsu.edu San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720
Hey Roger, I agree with you 100% because I have been introduced many technologies by simply going to the bookstore.
-Conrad
On 10/16/07, Roger Whitney whitney@cs.sdsu.edu wrote:
Autopublishing has advantages, but publishing via traditional means also have advantages. Besides having an editor having a Seaside book in the shelves of bookstores would improve Seaside's visibility.
On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Blake wrote:
Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake.
On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor vmgoldberg@verizon.net wrote:
You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to build a publishing site. :-)
Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and also some dead trees.<s>
(Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a number of ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.)
If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point.
Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the middleman and everybody else benefits.
I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would probably be uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good language person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and pay!) those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. (And I use "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.) _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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My totally unscientific and subjective impression is that the probabilities to cut a good deal with a publisher are increased after somebody has published in the internet. This belongs in the set of theories yet to be proven.
Victor
======================================================
Conrad Taylor wrote:
Hey Roger, I agree with you 100% because I have been introduced many technologies by simply going to the bookstore.
-Conrad
On 10/16/07, *Roger Whitney* <whitney@cs.sdsu.edu mailto:whitney@cs.sdsu.edu> wrote:
Autopublishing has advantages, but publishing via traditional means also have advantages. Besides having an editor having a Seaside book in the shelves of bookstores would improve Seaside's visibility. On Oct 16, 2007, at 5:11 AM, Blake wrote: > Damn. Sent this to the generl purpose list by mistake. > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 22:01:58 -0700, Victor <vmgoldberg@verizon.net <mailto:vmgoldberg@verizon.net>> > wrote: > >> You could be your own publisher, in the internet. Use Seaside to >> build a publishing site. :-) > > Well, publishing in the traditional sense requires many people and > also > some dead trees.<s> > > (Actually, going through the laser game tutorial has given me a > number of > ideas as how traditional Squeak could be improved with some > manual-building tools. But that's a separate issue.) > >> If you build a neat site, that could be good selling point. >> >> Autopublishing in the internet has the advantage of removing the >> middleman and everybody else benefits. > > I'm all for it. And as Conrad points out there's Lulu. I would > probably be > uncomfortable releasing a book that didn't have a number of editors > besides myself. (Three is good: One general editor, one very good > language > person, and one tech person.) If I self-publish I have to find (and > pay!) > those people myself. A good editor is worth her weight in gold. > (And I use > "her" here because the best editors I've had have been women.) > _______________________________________________ > seaside mailing list > seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org <mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org> > http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside > ---- Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science whitney@cs.sdsu.edu <mailto:whitney@cs.sdsu.edu> San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org <mailto:seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org> http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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we are writing one. and will be looking for reviewers certainly.
Stef
On 16 oct. 07, at 04:35, Roger Whitney wrote:
A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
Roger Whitney Department of Computer Science whitney@cs.sdsu.edu San Diego State University http://www.eli.sdsu.edu/ San Diego, CA 92182-7720 (619) 583-1978 (Cell) (217) 390-6012
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Hi Stephane, I would like to review the book when it's ready.
-Conrad
On 10/17/07, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@free.fr wrote:
we are writing one. and will be looking for reviewers certainly.
Stef
On 16 oct. 07, at 04:35, Roger Whitney wrote:
A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
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Hello everyone,
fresh Seasider here - wanted to try and play with Seaside for Dolphin and stumbled over the documentation served here:
http://seaside.st/download/dolphin
With Esteban A. Maringolo's port, this documentation is no longer valid.
Therefore, I would propose to change the text to (this basically is what he wrote in a reply to me on c.l.s.d.):
Download
Download Sport, Swazoo and Seaside from: http://emaringolo.users.dolphinmap.net/
Installation
Unzip each file in your Dolphin Smalltalk X6 directory. Go to the Dolphin Package Loader and first install Sport (SPort.pac), then Swazoo (Swazoo-Server.pac, Swazoo-Resources.pac, Swazoo-Examples.pac) and finally Seaside (Seaside-Dolphin.pac, Seaside-Swazoo.pac, Seaside.pac).
You can then start a Seaside server with the following snippet:
| site composite | site := Site new name: 'seaside'. site host: 'localhost' ip: '127.0.0.1' port: 8888. site addResource: (composite := CompositeResource uriPattern: '/'). composite addResource: (SeasideSwazooResource uriPattern: 'seaside'). site start. SwazooServer singleton addSite: site. SwazooServer singleton start.
Then point your web browser to: http://localhost:8888/seaside/counter
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Done
2007/10/17, Claus Kick claus_kick@web.de:
Hello everyone,
fresh Seasider here - wanted to try and play with Seaside for Dolphin and stumbled over the documentation served here:
http://seaside.st/download/dolphin
With Esteban A. Maringolo's port, this documentation is no longer valid.
Therefore, I would propose to change the text to (this basically is what he wrote in a reply to me on c.l.s.d.):
Download
Download Sport, Swazoo and Seaside from: http://emaringolo.users.dolphinmap.net/
Installation
Unzip each file in your Dolphin Smalltalk X6 directory. Go to the Dolphin Package Loader and first install Sport (SPort.pac), then Swazoo (Swazoo-Server.pac, Swazoo-Resources.pac, Swazoo-Examples.pac) and finally Seaside (Seaside-Dolphin.pac, Seaside-Swazoo.pac, Seaside.pac).
You can then start a Seaside server with the following snippet:
| site composite | site := Site new name: 'seaside'. site host: 'localhost' ip: '127.0.0.1' port: 8888. site addResource: (composite := CompositeResource uriPattern: '/'). composite addResource: (SeasideSwazooResource uriPattern: 'seaside'). site start. SwazooServer singleton addSite: site. SwazooServer singleton start.
Then point your web browser to: http://localhost:8888/seaside/counter
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about using Seaside in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
-----Mensaje original----- De: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Claus Kick Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 14:18 Para: Seaside - general discussion Asunto: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Hello everyone,
fresh Seasider here - wanted to try and play with Seaside for Dolphin and stumbled over the documentation served here:
http://seaside.st/download/dolphin
With Esteban A. Maringolo's port, this documentation is no longer valid.
Therefore, I would propose to change the text to (this basically is what he wrote in a reply to me on c.l.s.d.):
Download
Download Sport, Swazoo and Seaside from: http://emaringolo.users.dolphinmap.net/
Installation
Unzip each file in your Dolphin Smalltalk X6 directory. Go to the Dolphin Package Loader and first install Sport (SPort.pac), then Swazoo (Swazoo-Server.pac, Swazoo-Resources.pac, Swazoo-Examples.pac) and finally Seaside (Seaside-Dolphin.pac, Seaside-Swazoo.pac, Seaside.pac).
You can then start a Seaside server with the following snippet:
| site composite | site := Site new name: 'seaside'. site host: 'localhost' ip: '127.0.0.1' port: 8888. site addResource: (composite := CompositeResource uriPattern: '/'). composite addResource: (SeasideSwazooResource uriPattern: 'seaside'). site start. SwazooServer singleton addSite: site. SwazooServer singleton start.
Then point your web browser to: http://localhost:8888/seaside/counter
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
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Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;)
Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on my account and serve my own website that way.
I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious enough to find out :)
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about using Seaside in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
what a relief.. LOL
Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the value".
cheers !
Sebastian Sastre PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine again ;)
-----Mensaje original----- De: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Claus Kick Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 Para: Seaside - general discussion Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;)
Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on my account and serve my own website that way.
I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious enough to find out :)
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about
using Seaside
in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
Sebastian,
I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean.
Nevin
what a relief.. LOL
Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the value".
cheers !
Sebastian Sastre PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine again ;)
-----Mensaje original----- De: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Claus Kick Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 Para: Seaside - general discussion Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;)
Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on my account and serve my own website that way.
I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious enough to find out :)
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about
using Seaside
in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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Just want to chip in as both a Squeak and Dolphin user. Dolphin is more user friendly and stable in terms of UI and that gives me a productivity boost over Squeak.
The drawback of Dolphin, IMHO, is not the cost (that is just equivalent to a day or two's developer cost, well worth it). Rather, it is because it is tied to Windows.
- Hwee-Boon
On 10/18/07, Nevin Pratt nevin@bountifulbaby.com wrote:
Sebastian,
I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean.
Nevin
what a relief.. LOL
Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you, and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the value".
cheers !
Sebastian Sastre PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine again ;)
-----Mensaje original----- De: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Claus Kick Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27 Para: Seaside - general discussion Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;)
Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000) at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on my account and serve my own website that way.
I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious enough to find out :)
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about
using Seaside
in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps, but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
seaside mailing list seaside@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside
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I appreciate a lot criticism because it works. Constructive or destructive. It's the most effective mechanism I know for my brain not beign crystalized.
Remember that human languages are informal ones so you should not stress too much parsing (which is a formal reading) unless you think you can extract something really valuable from that reading or the ideas around it. Prioritize the essence of the message the form use to be a mere support.
To clarify.. it do happens that english is my second language, in fact I think it's third because I'm less worst with portuguese which is very familiar to spanish which is my first one. I'm convinced that my skills with any language are of no value when compared to the overall capability of succesful message passing. A capability that we, TI people, have allways to seriously workout. I feel smalltalkers have a chance to be ahead on this one.
Well, I don't want to bother you nor others, anyway I comment below my answer. If not enough, please, I'll still interested in knowing why I was not easily parseable so I'll kindly ask you to tell me which part you still found unclear?
thanks!
Sebastian Sastre
_____
De: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org [mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre de Nevin Pratt Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 20:50 Para: Seaside - general discussion Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Sebastian,
I don't mean to criticize someone for whom it looks to me like English is a second language, but I'm having a real difficult time parsing your post. I'm just trying to figure out what you mean.
Nevin
what a relief.. LOL (laugh, good humor, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL) (a relief of not being sued by Claus for my skepticism </joke>)
Listen.. it's just a thought.. I used for years Dolphin Smalltalk
and, for the developer, it has a usability that just rocks. Unfortunately
that alone by itself ends beign too expensive with time. I just wanted you,
and maybe others, to question itselves about the *real* convenience of that
todays. By real I mean the answer/s you found to the question: "show me the
value".
(this sounds clear to me.. it's about dolphin seems not to add any feature that worth to develop web applications on it other than using Dolphin itself which IMHO is not worth enough. Also contextualizing that by "real convenience" I mean "value" which no matter which language you choose it should be clear. I wrote like that to make you and may be others to think about it because I know that *showing the value* can vary a lot in complexity and can bring a hard time because it's a key and it is critical for the desicion taking process you can pass good or bad times based on those keys so I found that is very important to people like us to have that argumentation workout)
cheers !
Sebastian Sastre
PS: no matter how long it rains, exists the day after in which the sun shine
again ;)
(this is because Claus told us two times that it's cloudy in Germany)
-----Mensaje original-----
De: seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org
[mailto:seaside-bounces@lists.squeakfoundation.org] En nombre
de Claus Kick
Enviado el: Miércoles, 17 de Octubre de 2007 17:27
Para: Seaside - general discussion
Asunto: Re: [Seaside] seaside.st dolphin installation documentation
Good evening Sebastian,
no, I will not sue you, my lawyer stated that it is not worth it ;)
Honestly, I do not know yet. I work for a company using
Visual Smalltalk (and Java) and I use Dolphin (and VSE 2000)
at home. I was thinking that perhaps I should develop
something for Seaside with Dolphin and then beg my hoster to
allow me to have VisualWorks (or Squeak, for that matter) on
my account and serve my own website that way.
I do not know how feasible that really is, but I am curious
enough to find out :)
Cheers from cloudy Germany,
Claus
Sebastian Sastre wrote:
Greetings Claus,
don't sue me by being too skeptic but I'm curious about
using Seaside
in Dolphin. Dolphin is so good for developing Windows desktop apps,
but web? what values it adds to a seaside app?
I hope you find all the best experiences with Seaside,
cheers
Sebastian
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On Oct 17, 2007, at 8:43 AM, stephane ducasse stephane.ducasse@free.fr wrote:
we are writing one. and will be looking for reviewers certainly.
Stef
On 16 oct. 07, at 04:35, Roger Whitney wrote:
A while back a few people indicated that they were thinking of writing a book on Seaside. I was wondering if those writing projects are proceeding.
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