seaside February 2008

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Re: [Seaside] Re: Help with understanding how #call: works
by Boris Popov 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

No, outer components do not need to be aware of inner components possible call candidates, that would make the system unusably complicated. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Sun Feb 24 20:56:46 2008 Subject: Re: [Seaside] Re: Help with understanding how #call: works Malte Zacharias wrote: <snipage> > I hope this clears it up a bit.. > Not really. What I'm looking for is this, if component A includes component B, but inside of B, it calls component C, what happens? I assume C renders *in place* of B and the rest of A works as it did before? Is this correct? If so, does A have to include C in its children as well as B? It is possible I totally don't understand this stuff. -- Jeffrey Straszheim http://straszheim.50megs.com _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Gemstone / Seaside question
by itsme213 24 Feb '08

24 Feb '08

What are the restrictions for the free version of Gemstone/S for multi-core CPUs? [This question triggered by recent spate of activity with Squeak Hydra-VM, which offers quite attractive small-to-medium scaling]. Thanks - Sophie

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STTutodoApp
by Norbert Hartl 24 Feb '08

24 Feb '08

Hi, I tried the Magma SeasideHelper Todo List Tutorial at http://wiki.squeak.org/squeak/6021. I found two things missing: - In order to use the App some has to install Scriptaculous and Cryptography (maybe should be added to the squeak page) - The example does not work for me. The StMagmaCollectionDatabase class>>modelKey contains a missing class. Removing the whole selector made it work for me. Norbert

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Apache and virtual host
by Marco D'Ambros 23 Feb '08

23 Feb '08

Hi all! I have a problem in configuring seaside and apache. I have a domain name, lets say www.example.org, which points to a machine (lets say machine.my.org) in which I have my apache server running. With an html web site, stored on the hard disk, what I would do is to configure apache like this: <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName www.example.org DocumentRoot /var/www/example </VirtualHost> and like this, if I go to www.example.org I will see the web site located in my server under /var/www/example, while on the browser I will see the url www.example.org and NOT machine.my.org The question is: how do I do the same with seaside? If I use the rewrite module of apache, with this configuration: <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName www.example.org RewriteEngine On RewriteRule ^/(.*)$ http://localhost:8008/seaside/go/example/$1 [P,L] </VirtualHost> I will be redirected to the correct seaside web site, but in the browser I will see the url machine.my.org:8008/seaside/go/example/ Many thanks and cheers Marco D'Ambros

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Navigating away from call:'s
by Ronaldo Ferraz 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

Hi, I've been browsing some Seaside examples (Squeak Source, this time) and I noticed a pattern where a call: is made replacing the current component with no expectation of return. For example, when navigating to the home page, the home component is called but it will never return to whatever component it's replacing. At least, that's what happening if I'm reading the code correctly. Is that the common way to handle such situations? -- Ronaldo Ferraz http://log.reflectivesurface.com

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I need success stories
by Jeffrey Straszheim 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

Howdy, I almost have a business partner convinced to give Seaside a try for an upcoming web project. However, although I love the ideas behind the technology, and I would love to use Smalltalk on a real paying gig, I have a deep fear that if we get heavy traffic the system wouldn't keep up. So, does anyone on this list have experience using Seaside in a high traffic scenario. I'm talking 200+ hits per second at least. How did it handle the load? What sort of hardware did you choose? What load balancing? What database? -- Jeffrey Straszheim http://straszheim.50megs.com

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Re: [Seaside] Re: Navigating away from call:'s
by Boris Popov 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

That kind of navigation is not uncommon. Imagine making a flight reservation, reviewing the checkout page and clicking on header navigation to get back to the home page. I would hate to be limited to next and previous buttons in that situation. If your component never answers, so be it. But you can always hit back in your browser and proceed and that's the whole point IMHO. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: 'Seaside - general discussion' <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Thu Feb 21 19:34:57 2008 Subject: RE: [Seaside] Re: Navigating away from call:'s > Maybe, but the home example was just one of many possible. What is the > user is in the midst of an edition and just clicks away? > Cliks away is just too wide. You probably want to include in that editor only anchors who has callbacks with sense for an edition context. For example an explicit save or cancel. By saying 'clicks away' you are suggesting just a different kind of post cancel action? Sebastian _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Re: [Seaside] Set-Cookie2 support in Kom and Swazoo
by Boris Popov 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

Do you know if common browsers support those properly? Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org>; Seaside - developer list <seaside-dev(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Thu Feb 21 22:16:17 2008 Subject: [Seaside] Set-Cookie2 support in Kom and Swazoo Hi Looking at improving the cookie support in Seaside I found out that neither the latest Kom nor the latest Swazoo support Set-Cookie2 (RFC 2965 from 2000). the Discard attribute looks especially well suited for session cookies. Sure I could hack it in myself, but I feel this is more the responsibility of the server vendors. Any takers? Cheers Philippe _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Re: [Seaside] I need success stories
by Boris Popov 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

ODBC indeed; we're on VisualWorks and support there is quite solid. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: 'Seaside - general discussion' <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Thu Feb 21 23:16:02 2008 Subject: RE: [Seaside] I need success stories > We have build a horizontally scalable system by putting F5 > routers in front of X number of Seaside instances with a SQL > Server backend. BIG-IP offloads SSL, caches all static > resources and load balances using sticky sessions. Computing > cycles and RAM are cheap, so I suspect getting a respectable > throughput is just a matter of adding more gateways in the > back, but don't quite have the numbers yet. > > Cheers! > > -Boris (via BlackBerry) What are you accessing Sql Server with, ODBC? Ramon Leon http://onsmalltalk.com _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Re: [Seaside] I need success stories
by Boris Popov 22 Feb '08

22 Feb '08

We have build a horizonally scalable system by putting F5 routers in front of X number of Seaside instances with a SQL Server backend. BIG-IP offloads SSL, caches all static resources and load balances using sticky sessions. Computing cycles and RAM are cheap, so I suspect getting a respectable throughput is just a matter of adding more gateways in the back, but don't quite have the numbers yet. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Thu Feb 21 19:04:50 2008 Subject: [Seaside] I need success stories Howdy, I almost have a business partner convinced to give Seaside a try for an upcoming web project. However, although I love the ideas behind the technology, and I would love to use Smalltalk on a real paying gig, I have a deep fear that if we get heavy traffic the system wouldn't keep up. So, does anyone on this list have experience using Seaside in a high traffic scenario. I'm talking 200+ hits per second at least. How did it handle the load? What sort of hardware did you choose? What load balancing? What database? -- Jeffrey Straszheim http://straszheim.50megs.com _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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