seaside April 2008

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Q about Seaside 2.8
by Squeaker 04 Apr '08

04 Apr '08

Hi All, I am using Seaside 2.8 one-click experience on Windoze XP. I see that there is a seaside.exe that gets things going and it uses an image file called seaside.image. Very nice. What if I would like to run a different image other than seaside.image? Do I have to edit the seaside.ini file to point to my new image or is there another way. What I would really like is to drag my image file and drop it on the squeak vm. And, where is the squeak vm located in the seaside 2.8 file hierarchy? I looked around but cannot find it. Thanks for you help, Frank

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Upgrading running servers?
by Andreas Raab 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

Hi - [Apologies for the cross-post but there may be answers to this question coming from people who are subscribed to Seaside but not Squeak-dev] What are the best practices for upgrading portions of your running server? I'm not talking about replacing the main business logic of your server application but rather relatively small things like an improved log module, or an administrative report function etc. Basically parts that you can assume aren't used while you upgrade them. I was quite surprised that I wasn't able to find any recommendations on how to do that. And I can't imagine that this problem hasn't come up in Seaside or other Squeak or Smalltalk server deployments. So what do people do in such a situation? Fire up VNC and load the latest MC package? Is that feasible when you have hundreds of users pounding the server? Any other (semi- or fully-) automated variants? Alternative recommendations? Thanks for any insights you can share. Cheers, - Andreas

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Another Seasider newbie's experience
by itsme213 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

Just thought I would summarize my experience with Seaside (thanks Cedrick). I just started ~4 months ago, I'm relatively new to Seaside and Smalltalk and Web, I have prior experience with objects. I have not tried using Aida. The Seaside community, both on this list and through private emails, has been astonishingly helpful (you know who you are :-) Ramon's blog was a big help, as were some assorted tutorials on the web. I did not make much use of the Pottsdam tutorial. The forthcoming Seaside book should be a huge help (Hurry up, Stef, Lukas,... :-). Beginer docs (like Aida appears to have) were hard to find. The html-in-code was easy with Seaside's Canvas, once I understood how the Brushes intervened. Callbacks were trivial to program, apps with whole-page refresh very simple to do, though the use of #state never quite fit my needs. Dealing with pure Smalltalk objects and callbacks on the server, with Seaside taking care of generating all string keys and mapping back to Smalltalk, a pure joy. It took a while for me to get used to pulling in CSS and JS files into the image, changing CSS in method-body strings, and serving them out via FileLibrary accessors. It was also very frustrating figuring out that FireFox cached all this stuff unless you actually went into about:config and tweaked a parameter to turn it off. Basic components were easy once I understood #children (which Seaside uses for several things like updating URLs and headers). I am curious if Aida requires something like #children, and what trade-offs it makes. Ajax components were not easy, I went through a few depressing rounds of worrying about how much more I still had to understand to be productive. I was pushing Ajax a bit more than Seaside 2.8 was originally architected for. If you have the callback of one component changing and re-rendering the component-tree structure in a distant component, you better know what you are doing (and use Lukas #in:do: solution, see nabble archives). The way 2.8 does callback processing down the component tree in the presence of Ajax, depending on when the last complete #render:aComponent was called, is too complex for an app-programmer to have to understand; #in:do: seems to be a 2.8 fix, and this issue is scheduled to disappear in 2.9. People have different opinions on a generic Seaside component library that fit together within a slightly higher-level UI framework. Personally I think it would be a huge asset, and would be delighted if Seaside (not "core", perhaps a separate package) made some opinionated decisions in this regard. My 2 c, Sophie

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Re: [Seaside] ie6 and xhtml
by Boris Popov 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

I strongly disagree, if you are planning on making money with your site, you absolutely should invest in proper design from day 1. Obviously if this is just for internal use or for learning, no point spending money. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Wed Apr 02 19:43:25 2008 Subject: Re: [Seaside] ie6 and xhtml Keith Hodges wrote: > It turns out that seaisde doesnt send the <?xml prolog as standard, > but pier does. > So I have taken it out for the time being... and things are looking > much better. > > I agree, so where does one find one of these super designers ? > Well, I wouldn't recommend hiring a designer unless you're making real money on your site -- in which case you *obviously* need to hire someone to do this stuff. The XHTML problem comes from "quirks mode", btw. IE6 doesn't know about XHTML, so it renders it as "old fashioned crappy" HTML. Thanks Microsoft. -- Jeffrey Straszheim jstraszheim(a)comcast.net _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Re: [Seaside] ie6 and xhtml
by Boris Popov 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

May not be the suggestion you are looking for, but I would recommend you get a pro designer involved who does this stuff for living. It won't only save you money in the long run, it'll save you hours of frustration which could be spent doing something else... :) Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: The Squeak Enterprise Aubergines Server - general discussion. <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Wed Apr 02 18:45:27 2008 Subject: [Seaside] ie6 and xhtml I am really struggling to make a css layout that works across browsers. In fact I cant see any way of doing it. I have just been told the following: JDigital: keithy: get rid of the XML prolog JDigital: It throws IE out of standards mode Is this the case? Any ideas or tips would be appreciated many thanks in advance Keith _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Re: [Seaside] ie6 and xhtml
by Boris Popov 03 Apr '08

03 Apr '08

Word of mouth? Google? Craigslist? I found ours on the title page at a book store. Cheers! -Boris (via BlackBerry) ----- Original Message ----- From: seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org <seaside-bounces(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> To: Seaside - general discussion <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: Wed Apr 02 19:28:55 2008 Subject: Re: [Seaside] ie6 and xhtml Boris Popov wrote: > > May not be the suggestion you are looking for, but I would recommend > you get a pro designer involved who does this stuff for living. It > won't only save you money in the long run, it'll save you hours of > frustration which could be spent doing something else... :) > > Cheers! > > -Boris (via BlackBerry) > It turns out that seaisde doesnt send the <?xml prolog as standard, but pier does. So I have taken it out for the time being... and things are looking much better. I agree, so where does one find one of these super designers ? Keith _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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Seaside tutorial accepted for OSCON!
by merlyn＠stonehenge.com 02 Apr '08

02 Apr '08

Just got word that my Seaside tutorial talk (3 hour slot) has been accepted for OSCON 2008. This is great... it'll get the word out to even more people about our Year of Smalltalk. Details: http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/library/post/seaside-tutorial-at-oscon---… -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <merlyn(a)stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

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[ANN] Seaside for Java
by Lukas Renggli 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

We are thrilled to announce Seaside for Java. After the successful J2EE context refactoring, we proceeded with the next logical step and moved the whole code-base to Java. For downloads and details about the migration process see: http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside4j Have fun, Seaside Release Team -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch

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Re: [Seaside] [ANN] Seaside for Java
by "S.J.Chun" 01 Apr '08

01 Apr '08

Hey!!! I almost..., you know... Now I know :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Lukas Renggli <renggli(a)gmail.com> To: Seaside <seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org> Sent: 08-04-01 14:03:51 Subject: [Seaside] [ANN] Seaside for Java We are thrilled to announce Seaside for Java. After the successful J2EE context refactoring, we proceeded with the next logical step and moved the whole code-base to Java. For downloads and details about the migration process see: http://www.seaside.st/community/development/seaside4j Have fun, Seaside Release Team -- Lukas Renggli http://www.lukas-renggli.ch _______________________________________________ seaside mailing list seaside(a)lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/seaside

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