squeakland November 2003

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Re: [Squeakland] Thank you to all who have gone before
by Jim Carvalho 10 Nov '03

10 Nov '03

Kim, Thank you for posting a thoughtful, sensitive, and complete response to Marsha's email. This is the kind of writing that informs all of our practice. Please consider posting these two messages as part of the Squeakland FAQ. All of us in the field need to commit to eliminating the isolation that seems to be such an ubiquitous part of teaching. I've taken a long, hard look at Squeak and am very impressed with its potential. I'm also very aware of how much it's still a work in progress. I've been using Logo and robots with students as young as 5 since 1983; I see the commitment I'll need to muster before introducing Squeak to most of my students. I, for one, am not ready for it right now; I've got some other projects that are consuming my time. I'm looking forward to the day I'll be able to put Squeak on the front burner. Thanks to all who have contributed to this project over the years. It's an impressive body of work; and our students need this. Jim > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 07:37:32 -0700 > From: Kim Rose <kim.rose(a)viewpointsresearch.org> > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] Thank you to all who have gone before > To: "RATZEL, MARSHA" <MRATZEL(a)bv229.k12.ks.us> > Cc: "squeakland.org mailing list" <squeakland(a)squeakland.org> > Message-ID: <a05100305bbd3f77dd442(a)[10.0.0.155]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" > > Dear Marsha, > > I want to thank you for taking the time and courage to write to us. > Your feedback is most important to those of us at Viewpoints > Research/"Squeak Central/Squeakland" and to your fellow teachers who > are also exploring Squeak and participating on this mailing list. > Without reports such as yours it is impossible for us to know what is > happening in classrooms, computing centers, etc. around the world. > We only have a vague sense of who is using Squeak, which is a strange > phenomenon given the way people can get Squeak off the web and then > use it quietly, or with more communication. > > In case you don't know who I am, I have spent several years > developing and testing Squeak-based curriculum in classrooms -- most > of the "real time" has been spent in Los Angeles public schools. I > have been working most closely with BJ Allen-Conn a 4th and 5th grade > teacher at the Open Charter School. BJ and I have shared both the > pleasure and pain that you have experience. The victories send you > home believing that our world has a positive future in the hands of > our children, and the frustrations make you wonder if the time and > effort are worth it. From my experience (I've been working in this > area with Alan Kay for 17 years now) it *is* worth it, but the kids' > tears are tough to take. Thank goodness, this part is occassional. > (I tell myself the same frustrations occur to learners attempting to > learn a musical instrument or new language, however, the instrument > itself should not break!) > > When this scenario happens to me, I remind myself that what I am > doing is *research* and forging new territory in creating new tools > for learning. In the classrooms I've been involved in using Squeak > we have let the kids know that they are part of something new, an > experimental program and something that is not yet a "product". When > the kids hear this and also learn that their reports, remarks, > feedback are taken to the designers, developers and engineers they > are generally entusiastic and delighted to participate in the > creation and change. In the first years of the Etoy system's > development we would often make changes in user interface and > functionality based on teacher and student feedback. When the > teachers/students saw those changes materialize a short time after > making the recommendation they felt a great reward and pride in > participating. > > Here is some concrete info on how you can help.... > What will help the developers greatly is if you, and others reading > this mail (which is why I chose to send my reply to the group and not > just Marsha) will do this: > > When you have a problem, please let us know! Unless people make > reports we believe things are going well. Please don't continue to > be frustrated and feel alone. Although we are geographically > separated, we can use this list and direct email to help, > troubleshoot. and hopefully solve the problem or change the system to > improve it. Using this mailing list can help identify colleagues in > your area. Recently, a group of "New York City Squeakers" decided > to meet face to face in a user group meeting. This will get people > together to exchange and share project ideas, problems, victories and > defeats. > > When reporting a problem, please let us know what computer platform > you are using -- there are so many possibilities today, it is > important for us to know and we are trying to make Squeak work on > each and every one but there are differences...if it is Windows or > Mac please let us know which version -- i.e., 2000, XP, home version, > or Mac OS 9.xx, OSX...OSX.?? > > Also if you have problems installing, it is important for us to know > which browser and browser version you are using. > > Then, if you have a project which will not save or load or loads and > appears "broken" or different from the previous time you loaded it, > please send us mail and attach the project (the .pr file). Look > into your "My Squeak" folder to see if there is a "Debug Log" file > with the time and date that you tried to save the project and send us > that text file as well. This will give us specific information to > evaluate. Withouth these specifics we are rather helpless. > > Also, be sure you are using the latest version of Squeak and have it > fully updated. We just posted an announcement of new installers which > are now available via Squeakland.org. To get this version you must > do a new installation of Squeak from our website. This install will > also give you a new "VM" (Virtual machine) which is needed to run the > application. Then, it's always a good idea to check for updates now > and again. (When we issue something significant we send mail to the > list but sometimes small updates are issued via the website). To get > updates go to Squeakland.org and on the homepage you can "Get Squeak > Updates" from the "Download Squeak" button in the center of the page. > > I am curious, Marsha, to learn more about you and your students -- > where are you? What age students are you working with? > > We want to support you as we have been with others who have been > courageous enough to try something new, and changing. I hope you > will continue to use Squeak and to help us by creating new project > ideas, sending us feedback so that we might continue to change and > improve it, etc. Last summer about 50 "Squeakers" gathered from > around the country and Canada for a 2 1/12 day "SquaekFest" in > Chicago. This was successful for a number of reasons...to meet, to > share, to build community, etc. We are planning a SqueakFest for > summer 2004...details will be coming. I hope you might be able to > join us. > > Thank you again for being part of this beginning (including the > growing pains). We are encouraging the use of the system to gather > useful experiences (including bugs) and to provide > perspective-changing experiences for endusers like you. > Please continue to correspond with us, share ideas and problems and > be part of our great adventure. > > regards, > Kim > > > > > > > >It is with much hesitation that I write this, but also with great > >excitement. I learned about Squeak this summer and then took the > >plunge with my students the past few weeks in experimenting with it. > >We have experienced everything possible....from excitement to > >frustration. My students have been so enchanted that they have gone > >home, downloaded it and played with it and come in and chattered > >away with what they figured out on their own...and then showed all > >of us what they learned. Does it get any better than that? Don't > >think so. We've worked to learn how to build scripts, tests, paint, > >and on and on and on. We've tried almost all of the different green > >tiles and tried to see what they do....almost like the old math > >guess and check method. Then we wrote down what they did. Pretty > >crude but we didn't know how else to attack it and it sort of > >worked. Then we just jumped in and figured out which ones we could > >use to do the things we wanted to do to build the animations the > >kids wanted to create. Barbie cars at the beach, rocket ships, > >Sonic the hedgehog, skateboarders, and on and on. We had a gallery > >showing today and they pretty much worked and we called it good. > > > >Yet, it is so frustrating at the same time. There isn't enough > >places to go to learn what to do and how to fix stuff. And we've > >had tears when we've lost stuff or they've been so frustrated that > >they just gave up. One of my skateboarder kids just freaked and > >quit. Hopefully he'll try again but I just didn't know what to do > >to help him anymore than I did. > > > >But I count it all a victory because this Squeak is very cool and > >engages them like I haven't seen anything else do. I am working so > >hard at getting one of our math teachers to let me integrate this > >into one of the modules they have. I'm experimenting at home in my > >spare time and if I can come up with something, I think she'll be up > >for it. Because I think the real excitement of this is really out > >in the math or science classroom instead of just in my > >animations....although they are great fun. > > > >All of you who write on this list do things I don't > >understand.....that's OK because someday I will. I thank you for > >having something like this for teachers like me who want to learn > >and having a place just to listen in on those of you who do get it. > >And I wanted to share our small victory with you because it is > >inspired by what you write and I read. So thank you. > > > >marsha ratzel

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RE: [Squeakland] Thank you to all who have gone before
by Mankovsky, Sheine 08 Nov '03

08 Nov '03

Very please to hear about your exerience. However, I don't know what a skateboarder kid is. Would you please tell me a little more about that. Sheine > -----Original Message----- > From: RATZEL, MARSHA [SMTP:MRATZEL@bv229.k12.ks.us] > Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 8:18 PM > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: [Squeakland] Thank you to all who have gone before > > It is with much hesitation that I write this, but also with great > excitement. I learned about Squeak this summer and then took the plunge > with my students the past few weeks in experimenting with it. We have > experienced everything possible....from excitement to frustration. My > students have been so enchanted that they have gone home, downloaded it > and played with it and come in and chattered away with what they figured > out on their own...and then showed all of us what they learned. Does it > get any better than that? Don't think so. We've worked to learn how to > build scripts, tests, paint, and on and on and on. We've tried almost all > of the different green tiles and tried to see what they do....almost like > the old math guess and check method. Then we wrote down what they did. > Pretty crude but we didn't know how else to attack it and it sort of > worked. Then we just jumped in and figured out which ones we could use to > do the things we wanted to do to build the animation! > s the kids wanted to create. Barbie cars at the beach, rocket ships, > Sonic the hedgehog, skateboarders, and on and on. We had a gallery showing > today and they pretty much worked and we called it good. > > Yet, it is so frustrating at the same time. There isn't enough places to > go to learn what to do and how to fix stuff. And we've had tears when > we've lost stuff or they've been so frustrated that they just gave up. > One of my skateboarder kids just freaked and quit. Hopefully he'll try > again but I just didn't know what to do to help him anymore than I did. > > But I count it all a victory because this Squeak is very cool and engages > them like I haven't seen anything else do. I am working so hard at > getting one of our math teachers to let me integrate this into one of the > modules they have. I'm experimenting at home in my spare time and if I > can come up with something, I think she'll be up for it. Because I think > the real excitement of this is really out in the math or science classroom > instead of just in my animations....although they are great fun. > > All of you who write on this list do things I don't understand.....that's > OK because someday I will. I thank you for having something like this for > teachers like me who want to learn and having a place just to listen in on > those of you who do get it. And I wanted to share our small victory with > you because it is inspired by what you write and I read. So thank you. > > marsha ratzel > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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[ANN] New plugin released
by Michael Rueger 07 Nov '03

07 Nov '03

Dear Squeaklanders, we just released the latest version of the Squeakland plugin. We recommend downloading and running the installer as the new release also includes new virtual machines for all platforms. The Mac OS X installers also allow for a special installation modes for server environments. Please refer to the ReadMe for more information. This release includes quite a few updates, some of them bug fixes and some additional functionality: + bug fixes - publishing - objects disappearing - too many to list here ;-) + functionality - pen trails as dots or lines and with arrows - quit button in the navigator bar - sounds in projects are preserved - getters and setters provide feedback on mouse-over We also changed the publishing behavior so that errors occurring during the publishing process actually get reported and not just cause the system to "hang". The new release also supports Safari on the Mac, although users behind a web proxy might experience problems. There are still some issues with Squeak on Panther (Mac OS X 10.3). Please set colors to "Thousands" to avoid these problems until we find a better workaround (or Apple fixes the bugs in Panther). Please let us know if you encounter (old or new) problems with the new version! Michael

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Can't use Squeak with OSX 10.3
by Steve Gutierrez 05 Nov '03

05 Nov '03

I recently installed OSX 10.3 on my iBook, on which I use Squeak to experiment/play and plan activities and challenges for my students. After installing 10.3 I am no longer able to use Squeak, it quits without any warning, no pattern or certain action that causes it and a Squeak has unexpectedly quit message is displayed by the OS. Anybody else experiencing this? Is there an update in the works? I need my Squeak. Thanks. Steve Gutierrez Tech Coordinator Hoover Street Elementary LAUSD

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Squeak For 1st Grader?
by Dave 01 Nov '03

01 Nov '03

I would like to introduce my 1st grader to Squeak. She reads very well and has an affinity for mathematics games. We tried the "driving the car" activity, but the allure of controlling the car wasn't there; it was as much fun just to paint. Can someone suggest some other, less advanced intro, or is six just too young to Squeak? Thanks. -Dave

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