squeakland October 2005

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Squeak Etoys and preschoolers
by Leonel Morgado 25 Apr '06

25 Apr '06

Hi, I'm interested on computer programming experiences with children aged 3, 4 and 5. I was unable to find documented cases of Etoys use in this age group, but expect that there should be at least a few user stories. If anyone has reports, photos, or even just recollections of such cases, I would love to hear about them! Inté, Leonel Morgado

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player variable
by Randy Heiland 31 Oct '05

31 Oct '05

When I have a variable that's of value type 'Player', is it possible to get a 'handle' to that player/object and use its tiles in a script? --Randy

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creating graphs
by Kim Rose 31 Oct '05

31 Oct '05

Hi, Mark - There's also a guide on how to create a graph on the Squeakland website. It can be found here: http://www.squeakland.org/sqmedia/projects/etoyposters.htm cheers, Kim

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Re: [Squeakland] Squeak for 5 and 7 year olds
by Harish Pillay 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

Thanks, Kim, for the reply. Yes, I have installed squeak on both machines and my sons have been experimenting with it. The like it a lot and I am trying to go to the next level. I borrowed[1] Gene's book: "Squeak: A quick trip to objectland" and am looking through that to see what I can do. Looks like a few weeks of fun ahead. Thanks. Harish [1] http://vistaweb.nlb.gov.sg/cgi-bin/cw_cgi?getBasicTerms+11271 type in squeak in the search box and that book is the 7th or so in the list. Stephane's book is on the list as well but not available for loan. The book "Powerful Ideas in the Classroom" is still not in the catalog. I will request for it (and they do take requests :-)). > Dear Harish, > > Welcome! Thanks for your kind words, compliments and interest. > > As a preface, I'd like to say, I trust you have installed the > "Squeakland" version of Squeak found from the www.squeakland.org > website (as opposed to the download found at "Squeak.org") as most > "etoy documentation" as been written with this version as its premise. > > Then, I refer you to the "Kids Play" section of the squeakland.org > website and the tutorials that can be found in that section. There > are many examples in the "Etoys" section that should give you ideas > about possibilities. Also be sure to look at the "links" in the > communities section to see what others have done. > > I am curious to know what book you found at your local library...??? > The "Powerful Ideas in the Classroom" book was written with younger > children in mind. The book is available from the Squeakland website > as well as amazon.com. > > Your 5 year old will likely require a bit more help from you -- using > Squeak as "lapware" with you will probably be most worthwhile. You > might find some of the buttons, menus, etc. a bit small for a younger > child's hands and coordination, as the "Etoy interface" was designed > with a bit older child in mind. > > We look forward to your continued participation on the Squeakland > mailing list and your sharing your activities and creations with us. > > have fun! > > regards, > Kim > > At 12:31 AM +0800 10/31/05, Harish Pillay wrote: > >Hi. I am taking the forthcoming school holidays here in > >Singapore to get my two sons (Ajay 7 and Amrish 5) to > >get to use Squeak. They have it installed in two machines - > >one Red Hat Desktop 4 and the other Fedora Core 3. > > > >All is well and I have just gotten the Squeak book from > >the local library. > > > >I am sure this has been asked before (I have not searched > >the archives of this list), but what would be a good set of > >2 or 3 things that I can get them to do? There is a tutorial > >about the car and have explored most of what looks obvious > >to me. My sons have also explored quite a but of squeak > >(they like the piano keyboard and blob objects). > > > >Appreciate any pointers. > > > >Thanks. > > > >Harish > >PS: My sincere thanks to all those who have helped create > >Squeak. I would like to contribute and am hoping to get > >this work with my sons as a time to gather materials and > >suggestions so that I can do a writeup.

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Squeak for 5 and 7 year olds
by Harish Pillay 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

Hi. I am taking the forthcoming school holidays here in Singapore to get my two sons (Ajay 7 and Amrish 5) to get to use Squeak. They have it installed in two machines - one Red Hat Desktop 4 and the other Fedora Core 3. All is well and I have just gotten the Squeak book from the local library. I am sure this has been asked before (I have not searched the archives of this list), but what would be a good set of 2 or 3 things that I can get them to do? There is a tutorial about the car and have explored most of what looks obvious to me. My sons have also explored quite a but of squeak (they like the piano keyboard and blob objects). Appreciate any pointers. Thanks. Harish PS: My sincere thanks to all those who have helped create Squeak. I would like to contribute and am hoping to get this work with my sons as a time to gather materials and suggestions so that I can do a writeup.

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Re: [Squeakland] Question about Powerful Ideas Project 5
by Alan Kay 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

Hi Mark -- Every Etoy object has a pen (they are all "turtles with costumes"). So instead of having an opaque plotting feature, we just have the kids use a small object (like an ellipse), put the pen down and write a ticking script like ellipse's x increase by 1 ellipse's y <- <the value to be plotted> This is nice and simple, and also makes plotting understandable. Cheers, Alan --------- At 05:34 PM 10/29/2005, Mark Engelberg wrote: >The project refers to making a line plot, but doesn't go into any >detail. Is there a mechanism for plotting or graphing data within >etoys, or are you supposed to construct a plot using some different >tool? > >Thanks, > >Mark > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Question about Powerful Ideas Project 5
by Mark Engelberg 30 Oct '05

30 Oct '05

The project refers to making a line plot, but doesn't go into any detail. Is there a mechanism for plotting or graphing data within etoys, or are you supposed to construct a plot using some different tool? Thanks, Mark

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Re: [Squeakland] Copying from one project to another?
by Alan Kay 28 Oct '05

28 Oct '05

I thought you had already asked this... Any object can be copied by using the red halo menu. In the 2nd project, use the "new morph ..." menu item in the world menu. BTW, pretty much every feature you have asked about so far are things we've put in the system to experiment with but are not generally used with children. Cheers, Alan At 06:12 PM 10/24/2005, Mark Engelberg wrote: >How do I copy an object from one project to another? > >Thanks, > >Mark > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Re: [Squeakland] Folder of friends?
by Alan Kay 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

Squeak has a Timbuktu-like screen sharing facility with a chat and VOIP interface, and "badges" that can hold the pictures and addresses of others who are using Squeak on the net. It works and has been demoed many times, but we've never been satisfied with it for a number of reasons, and are currently in the process of replacing this using the mechanisms of Croquet ( http://opencroquet.org which is much better supported, deals with transmitting events rather than screen bits, can be used on very low bandwidth connections, etc.) My advice would be to treat this as a currently unsupported feature and not try to use it. Cheers, Alan P.S. A more supported use of networks in Etoys is Netmorphs, which logically connect up remote PCs using Squeak so each screen is a tile in a much larger virtual screen. So, e.g., a child can make a car and drive it off the screen and it will appear on someone else's computer screen. Here is a recent message from the author, Umezawa-san: From: Masashi Umezawa <umejava(a)mars.dti.ne.jp> Hello all, NetMorph 0.3 for Squeakland 05 is finally available. Pre-installed image: ftp://swikis.ddo.jp/NetMorph/demoImages/NetMorph-Sq05.zip How to use: http://swikis.ddo.jp/NetMorph/12 This is the first official version for Squeakland 05 image. If you found some bugs, please send a report to me! Enjoy! --- [:masashi | ^umezawa] At 02:00 AM 10/27/2005, Mark Engelberg wrote: >The squeakland website claims that while running squeak, you have >access to a folder of friends, with whom you can type, voice chat, and >share projects. Does this feature really exist? If so, how? > >Thanks, > >Mark > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Folder of friends?
by Mark Engelberg 27 Oct '05

27 Oct '05

The squeakland website claims that while running squeak, you have access to a folder of friends, with whom you can type, voice chat, and share projects. Does this feature really exist? If so, how? Thanks, Mark

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