squeakland April 2011

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Etoys Russian
by kharness＠illinois.edu 16 Apr '11

16 Apr '11

Hi, Yesterday I met two volunteers who will translate the Quick Guides into Russian. Sugar Labs wiki says Etoys translation is 94% complete. I tried to open Etoys in Russian had the message about adding new fonts and then the message "cannot load additional fonts". Will those fonts and access to Russian be part of the next version of Etoys? Regards, Kathleen

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duplicates and siblings
by Bert Freudenberg 15 Apr '11

15 Apr '11

(moving to squeakland list) On 14.04.2011, at 16:05, Markus Schlager wrote: > On Thu, 14 Apr 2011, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > >> On 14.04.2011, at 09:44, Markus Schlager wrote: >> >>> I'd suggest to rename the 'copy'-tile since it does return a new sibling but not a copy/duplicate. I think it would be useful if the label would state clearly this tile resembles a *new* sibling you can send messages to. >> >> While this would be easy to change, I think it would make sense to discuss on the users list, not only the dev list. >> >> FWIW, internally the operation is called "new clone". >> >> Personally I would only change the balloon help. Most of the time it doesn't matter if it's a duplicate or a sibling. > > Most of all I'm missing the *new* in the tile's label. It took me quite some time to understand the tile's behavior when I encoutered it for the first time. > > Markus To me, "copy" does imply creating a new object. Also, it is only ever used as argument to another tile. I find the difference to be obvious: Holder include Sketch moves the Sketch into the Holder, whereas Holder include Sketch copy does not affect the Sketch itself, but adds a copy of it. I don't see how adding "new" would clarify this, but I'm happy to be convinced otherwise :) - Bert -

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Re: [squeakland] [Newbies] Re: Randomness + Pause/Delay?
by David Corking 15 Apr '11

15 Apr '11

On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> w= rote: ... > Constructing a complex tile in Etoys goes from the concrete to the more a= bstract. You start giving specific instructions and then generalize. > So at first,=A0you place that "Red | action" tile in your script. Then yo= u can test if that is working. > Later, you replace the "Red" receiver tile with the "AllPlayers |=A0playe= r at cursor". You drag it from the viewer onto the "receiver pad" of the=A0= "Red | action" tile. ... > This "outside-in" construction of complex tiles works naturally when you = "invent" the script=A0yourself step-by-step by experimenting. When you only= see the result, it can be perplexing how to construct it. The sequence is = executed from left to right, but made from right to the left. That's why fo= r arithmetic expressions there is the little "extend" arrow to the right (b= ut you still need to build nested expressions outside-in). This outside-in method, as well as the ability to send a message to all players in a collection, are important tools for advanced tile scripts. Do we have a tutorial covering this in the Squeakland documentation? If not, I suggest we use Bert's scripts and explanation as the basis for the first draft. David

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Question about Arabic language Etoys
by David Corking 15 Apr '11

15 Apr '11

>From a Facebook user http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=484466203052&id=1601682399

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Re: [squeakland] [Sur] [Localization] Traducciones de Sugar al español
by Carlos Rabassa 13 Apr '11

13 Apr '11

English translation follows Spanish original Gonzalo, Hernán, Ana, estoy parcialmente de acuerdo con cada uno de ustedes a pesar de que sus opiniones parecen contradictorias. Nos guste o no, el lenguaje de los programadores, desarrolladores y muchas otras actividades en el campo de la informática, es el Inglés. Negar este hecho es cerrarse las puertas y cerrárselas a los jóvenes estudiantes, que tendrán dificultad para acceder a lo que se produce fuera de Uruguay. Son ideas que conducen a aislar el país en un mundo que, nos guste o no, es globalizado. Pienso que los que desean estudiar informática en serio tienen que estudiar Inglés aún más en serio y muy rápido. Traducir programas, manuales y otras cosas es necesario hoy, cuando muchos no pueden leer el Inglés. Pero esa ayuda tan interesante, útil y generosa, no es la solución del problema básico. Las traducciones las veo como las muletas que usan los que se rompieron una pierna. No se rehusan a ir a un hospital a que se la arreglen. Tan pronto como pueden se hacen arreglar la pierna rota. Usan las muletas nada más que mientras el arreglo que les hizo el médico en el hospital surte su efecto y la pierna se les cura. Y por el momento, hay que traducir, si deseamos que todos lean lo que escribimos: English translation Gonzalo, Hernán, Ana, I partially agree with each one of you, although your opinions seem to contradict each other. Whether or not we like it, English is the language used by programmers, developers and in many other areas of computer science. Denying this fact means closing the doors for us and for the young students. They will have problems to reach resources from outside Uruguay. These ideas lead to the isolation of our country in a world that, whether or not we like it, is globalized. I believe serious computer science students should study English even more seriously and very fast. Today it is necessary to translate programs, manuals and other materials, when many of us cannot read English. But this help, so interesting, useful and generous, is not the solution to the basic problem. I visualize translations as the crutches used by those who had a fractured leg. They do not refuse going to a hospital and having it fixed. They get it fixed as soon as they can. They only use the crutches while the repair made by the doctor at the hospital, goes through its process and the leg heals. For the time being, translate we must, if we expect everyone to read what we write: Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay On Apr 12, 2011, at 1:42 AM, ana.cichero wrote: > Qué opinión curiosa.... > Te cuento una experiencia, 1er año liceo 2010 centro de Montevideo ( 12, 13, 14 años), vienen los estudiantes de ingeniería ( alumnos de gabriel eirea ) en tarea de extensión a darnos clase de python. En mis grupos decidimos analizar el ejemplo de guess a number del pippy y representarlo, un chico era el counter, otro la compu y otro el usuario. ( teniamos solo 90 minutos en total) > > Hubo gran dificultad en enteder las palabras: red, black, blue..... Imaginarse el resto de los textos en inglé !! Hay que hacer buenas actividades para aprender inglés, pero hay que traducir sugar en mi opinión. > > En concreto de Pippy(los relativos a matemática o funciones) tengo los ejemplos con los printy en general lo necesario para que se entienda ya traducido. Los mando a quien se haga cargo del tema. > -----LLeva mucho trabajo----- > El manual de Sugar que me ocupa ( y que pensaba terminar a fin de abril) , va por la mitad-1.... y creo que pronto voy a tener que poner una pausa de un par de meses por motivos de trabajos nuevos:) > > copio acá el ejemplo guess tal y como se carga en una xo configurada con español como idioma, saludos ! > > > import random > import pippy > R = random.randrange(1,100) > > print "Guess a number between 1 and 100!" > N = input("Enter a number: ") > i=1 > while (N!=R): > if N>R: > pippy.console.red() > print "Too big... try again" > else: > pippy.console.blue() > print "Too small.. try again" > pippy.console.black() > N = input("Enter a number: ") > i=i+1 > print "You got it in", i, "tries" > > En concreto de Pippy tengo ejemplos donde los print están traducidos y en general lo necesario para que se entienda. > > > 2011/2/10 Hernan Pachas <hernan.pachas(a)gmail.com> > Sugar no debe tener traducción (es mi opinión). > > ---hernan > > > 2011/2/10 Gonzalo Odiard <gonzalo(a)laptop.org>: > > Otro tema que deberiamos acordar es la traduccion de Sugar a "Azucar". > > Creo que no debería hacerse, pero me gustaría acordarlo con quienes han > > hecho la traducción en primer lugar. > > > > Gonzalo > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Localization mailing list > > Localization(a)lists.laptop.org > > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/localization > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Lista olpc-Sur > olpc-Sur(a)lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur > > _______________________________________________ > Lista olpc-Sur > olpc-Sur(a)lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur

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¿Es un blog o es un sitio web? / Is it a blog or a website?
by Carlos Rabassa 12 Apr '11

12 Apr '11

S053 - ¿Es un blog o es un sitio web? https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=19Svbq2nX1bFSO-rOA5wI_CFwhVHydluwuT… E053 - Is it a blog or a website? https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1l5s0xxDCIaBkV5hV7w0izj4VQlZ6OcMZdg… Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay

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Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] Keith Devlin's open online Q&A - Mensaje Bilingüe
by Carlos Rabassa 10 Apr '11

10 Apr '11

E052 - Mathematics Education for a New Era: Video Games as a Medium for Learning https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1pSiyS8WvVVoVkuFtBAYtP4JHBfgeYNijWL… S052 - Educación Matemática para una Nueva Era: Juegos Video como un Medio de Aprendizaje https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=11LhISFDReaSca6a-4I9ud_yxEPTSRe033v… Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay On Apr 10, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Maria Droujkova wrote: > > Mathematics Education for a New Era: Video Games as a Medium for Learning > > Join Keith Devlin in a question and answer session about his math game projects and the new book. > > How to join > > Follow this link at the time of the event: http://tinyurl.com/math20event > Monday, April 11th 2011 we will meet in the LearnCentral online room at 5:00pm Pacific, 8:00pm Eastern time. WorldClock for your time zone. > Click "OK" and "Accept" several times as your browser installs the software. When you see Elluminate Session Log-In, enter your name and click the "Login" button > If this is your first time, come a few minutes earlier to check out the technology. The room opens half an hour before the event. > > All events in the Math 2.0 weekly series: http://mathfuture.wikispaces.com/events > About the book > > > > Stanford mathematician and NPR Math Guy Keith Devlin explains why, fun aside, video games are the ideal medium to teach middle-school math. Aimed primarily at teachers and education researchers, but also of interest to game developers who want to produce videogames for mathematics education, Mathematics Education for a New Era: Video Games as a Medium for Learning describes exactly what is involved in designing and producing successful math educational videogames that foster the innovative mathematical thinking skills necessary for success in a global economy. > > Keith writes in his March 2011 MAA column: > One problem with the majority of math ed video games on the market today that will quickly strike anyone who takes a look, is that they are little more than a forced marriage of video game technology and traditional mathematics pedagogy. In particular, the player of such a game generally encounters the math in symbolic form, often by way of a transparent screen overlay on top of the gameworld. > But video-game worlds are not paper-and-pencil symbolic representations; they are imaginary worlds. They are meant to be lived in and experienced. Putting symbolic expressions in a math ed game environment is to confuse mathematical thinking with its static, symbolic representation on a sheet of paper. It's like the early would-be aviators who tried to fly by building ornithopters - machines that added flapping wings to four-wheeled cycles. Those pioneers confused flying with the only instances of flying which they had observed - birds and insects. Humans achieved flying only when they went back to basics and analyzed the notion of flying separately from the one particular implementation they were familiar with. Similarly, to build truly successful math ed video games, we have to separate the activity of doing mathematics, which is a form of thinking, from its familiar representation in terms of symbolic expressions. > > Event Host > > Dr. Keith Devlin is a co-founder and Executive Director of the university's H-STAR institute, a co-founder of the Stanford Media X research network, and a Senior Researcher at CSLI. He is a World Economic Forum Fellow and a Fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science. His current research is focused on the use of different media to teach and communicate mathematics to diverse audiences. He also works on the design of information/reasoning systems for intelligence analysis. Other research interests include: theory of information, models of reasoning, applications of mathematical techniques in the study of communication, and mathematical cognition. He has written 30 books and over 80 published research articles. Recipient of the Pythagoras Prize, the Peano Prize, the Carl Sagan Award, and the Joint Policy Board for Mathematics Communications Award. In 2003, he was recognized by the California State Assembly for his "innovative work and longtime service in the field of mathematics and its relation to logic and linguistics." He is "the Math Guy" on National Public Radio. > > _______________________________________________ > IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) > IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org > http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep

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Fundraiser for Replacing Textbooks project
by Edward Cherlin 10 Apr '11

10 Apr '11

I have set up a fundraiser, http://www.crowdrise.com/Replacetextbooks/ to raise $10,000 for a server and other expenses at Sugar Labs to create collaborative, interactive, digital textbook replacements for up to a billion children at a time using Sugar and in particular Etoys. That's a million pennies, or a thousandth of a cent per child. There are of course significant other expenses in the overall program, mostly for buying computers to run Sugar and let students work with our digital materials and others. I estimate the total cost at $25 billion annually, to be provided by governments and aid agencies, mostly. When we succeed in getting rid of poverty and its associated ills, and bring the rest of the world up to the standard of the developed countries, that will add about $200 trillion to global GDP. Among the ills associated with poverty, especially the dire poverty of those living on $1 a day, or 50 cents a day, or less, are disease, death, helplessness, hopelessness, government corruption, oppression, and so on. What's it worth to you to put a dent in these problems, and get the children ready to finish the project and then tackle the next round of _hard_ problems? Can you pay forward, for those less fortunate, $10? $25? $50? More? Please don't spam this message, but do pass it on where appropriate. -- Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/

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Conozco Uruguay in Mac computer
by Carlos Rabassa 09 Apr '11

09 Apr '11

Frederick, Thomas, Raffael Thank you and all who sent me messages trying to help me in using SoaS in a Mac computer. I am afraid my request was not clear and too ambitious. Let me replace it with a much simpler and modest request, if I may. I heard lots of praise about the "Conozco Uruguay" activity. I haven't been able to see it in action or use it myself. Could someone give me step by step instructions to use Conozco Uruguay in a Mac computer? If you could give me just one set of instructions, with no alternatives, no shop talk, that would be ideal. If tomorrow a much better solution comes up, I promise not to complaint. If I get to do this and you are still willing to help, I will certainly ask for more. I am dreaming of simple instructions I could quickly follow to get to this modest goal. I am not even dreaming of becoming a developer or anything like that. Just want to be helpful as a volunteer, learning to use as many applications as I can. Thanks! Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay

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Re: [squeakland] [IAEP] S050 - Informática para Tontos / E050 - Computer Science for Dummies
by Carlos Rabassa 09 Apr '11

09 Apr '11

Edward, Thanks for your suggestion. If I have to do it, I'm sorry but I have to decline. I have no idea about what has to be done or how someone would be able to benefit from the effort. If you or anyone else feels there is any value in anything I do, please feel free to use whatever you find. Most of what I have done so far, mostly exercises for me to learn and be able to answer some of the questions received, may be found at: The Squeakland showcase everyone This link points to one of my most recent projects: http://squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=10420 Aprendo I Learn - A collection of pages I wrote mostly to answer questions received https://docs.google.com/View?id=dg7q79cx_545g34j47gm Índice - A collection of items, I prepared for my own use, some written by me most by others https://docs.google.com/View?id=dg7q79cx_502fdc82rg6 If you think all this is a mess, I would certainly agree. After the insistence of a some fellow volunteers at RAP Ceibal, mainly Leticia Romero and Paolo Benini, whom I thank for their patience in dealing with me, I am thinking of bringing some order to my files. They have suggested a blog a few times. From time to time they say blog and I say website, sometimes I say website with link to a blog. I believe that for storing information, it should be a website. This is the result of the first five minutes invested in creating a free website for this purpose: There is no content yet in this site. https://sites.google.com/site/carlosnennyrabassa/ Interesting, they mention how easy it is to find out things in a blog. Today, search engines search almost everything we put in internet no matter where it is. An interesting curious example: Our son had successfully made empanadas, a typical uruguayan dish, for some of his friends. Now he wanted to go one step further and use home made dough rather than buying it ready. He asked Mom for her recipe and, this is how we found it and sent it to him right away: Search using Google for "Nenny Rabassa empanada". Select Google´s top recommendation. Nenny, my wife and business associate, put it in internet some 12 years ago. Nenny used to cook for our fellow real estate brokers to thank them for visiting our broker open houses. That´s how some of her recipes ended up in internet. Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay On Apr 9, 2011, at 1:44 AM, Edward Cherlin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 17:36, Carlos Rabassa <carnen(a)mac.com> wrote: >> S050 - Informática para Tontos >> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=1FVJC2Ij4Vsub_3RJBu9HIhf6qRqdQVbq1W… >> E050 - Computer Science for Dummies >> https://docs.google.com/document/pub?id=131-kPidBmlTFE14DvSkYFGzNWlWD1KjY0l… > > Would you like to turn this into a Replacing Textbooks project hosted > at Sugar Labs? > >> Carlos Rabassa >> Voluntario >> Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal >> Montevideo, Uruguay >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep >> > > > > -- > Edward Mokurai (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) Cherlin > Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. > The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. > http://www.earthtreasury.org/

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