Hey Yoshiki!

Nice to see the advances of the Squeak people on the olpc/2b1 platform. I have downloaded the OLPCPlugin.image.zip http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin.image.zip and it works like a charm including Spanish support. Will be really a charm to work on olpc in the creation of multimedia educative Spanish content using Squeak.

Thanks a lot,

Offray

Yoshiki Ohshima escribió:

Hello,

As you may know, the "eToys team" at Viewpoints Research is working on a version of Squeak tailored to suit the OLPC. (Please take a look at http://wiki.laptop.org/ and their wiki site from there.)

Many of us have gathered together at the OLPC office in Cambridge, MA, for two weeks of intensive, quality hacking time. The plan is to finalize the image by the middle of October.

We are making many UI changes and optimizations suitable for the relatively modest resource on the laptop. The effort includes performance tweaks, simplification of menus, reduction and reorganization of objects in the parts bins, and tweaks to both Viewers and Scriptors, including font, color, and size choices.

At the same time, we are trying to minimize the changes so that we don't introduce new bugs, and in order to remain consistent with existing documentation.

If you are interested in what is going on, please grab the images at:

http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin.zip (initial version without updates) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin-960.zip (updated on Sep. 18th) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCPlugin-latest.zip (identical to the latest in this folder)

or for developers:

http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCSqueak.zip (initial version without updates) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCSqueak-960.zip (updated on Sep. 18th) http://tinlizzie.org/olpc/OLPCSqueak-latest.zip (identical to the latest in this folder)

Obviously, there are a lot of changes going into this version, so please update the image often (I mean, really often.)

Any comments, suggestions, and bug reports are welcome. We are setting up a mailing list for discussion on OLPC eToys. Also, there is a wiki page at:

http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Etoys

Feel free to edit it for discussion on this.

Thank you!

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On 2006 September 18 12:49, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:

Obviously, there are a lot of changes going into this version, so please update the image often (I mean, really often.)

Any comments, suggestions, and bug reports are welcome.

Yoshiki,

I used the latest OLPC Image (updated to today) to build a fairly large project, and then run it in the OLPC pluging. Overall, the OLPC image seems very good without problems.

The project is quite large (Simulation of Wave moving across Elastic Band: on a website here: http://squeakers.ca:9091, last project “Wave Simulation”), so I think I tested large pieces of eToys building it. I did have one crash (log attached), also the Plugin Image did not auto-update and load my exported project, maybe that is expected?

Attached is list of things I found and commented on (OO format), and also the crash log.

Milan

Milan,

Thank you for reporting. I'll take a look at them. The bug is not known yet. Updating strategy is still under discussion, but I think we shouldn't rely on the luxury of auto-update.

The crash you got was when you load a project from Squeakland image? We'll investigate it as well.

Thanks!

-- Yoshiki

Milan, (Now etoys@laptop.org is included.)

Attached is list of things I found and commented on (OO format), and also the crash log.

I started looking at the issues in the file. Below is my comment:

B2. Text and Images in Tools Flap seems cut when first started.

We won't have Tools Flap in eToyFriendly mode with eToys flaps. Somewhat lower priority.

B3. Loading Something using SqueakMap Package Loader: Message about Squeak MasterServer is running a different version (2.2) ...etc.

At one point, probably we should make sure that SqueakMap and Monticello works. But again, the primary goal is to provide good eToys experience. (Thank you for testing!)

B5. Installing RemoteFrameBuffer into OLPC image (updated) from SqueakMap, I received a MNU "SystemDictionary changes" around SMDefaultInstaller>>fileIntoChangesetNamed:fromStream

Ok.

B6. Error Not Indexable: Try TranscriptShow: someNumber,someNumber bombs- But CANNOT duplicate, Squeak log attached.

Thank you. I'll look at it, but it would be nice if we can reproduce...

B7. I think the following will be probably unreadable on OLPC Small Screen: (Publish Project and Save Project on File.)

The first patch for this problem is already in the update stream. But, Takashi will look at it and clean it up.

B8. (script in text mode.)

I tried it and seems to be doing the right thing here. Are you certain that you did put "^" in the textually coded script?

B9. I created a project completely in OLPC image with latest updates. Saved the project and put it on a website here: http://squeakers.ca:9091...

At this point, we aren't keen to make it possible to load a project from the OLPC image into the Squeakland image. It would make sense to modify the Squeakland image. (A radical idea is to make OLPC image with some font modifications *be* the next Squeakland image, but there are pros and cons.)

N1. Menu simplification.

The first cut is in the update stream. Again, a typical user won't see the World menu. Some useful stuff in the World menu were moved to the red-halo menu of the World.

N2. Source file.

It should be SqueakV3.sources. Basically, we should lobby for the space on the flash to put it.

N3. capitalization of names on menus.

Yes. Since there are translations for other languages, it would be wise to provide the English translation from Squeakly language.

Thank you!

-- Yoshiki

Marcus,

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N2. Source file.

It should be SqueakV3.sources. Basically, we should lobby for the space on the flash to put it.

Dan did a quite nice compression scheme for the .sources (compression to 1/4 of the size). This was done for the Weather station flash based system. Code is on SqueakMap and in the image (3.9, maybe 3.8, too), but slightly broken. Should not be too hard to fix.

Thank you for reminding me of it. We don't know how much is the hard limit given to us (or its existence), but this would be a good option if we *need* to squeeze our stuff.

-- Yoshiki