Hi everyone,
Im afraid it can be a bit too late to talk about this very rich squeakland discussion, but still... :) From our work directly with the kids and teachers with Etoys, I think that the most important thing is to have an environment where everyone can create their space: have a profile, public their projects and INTERACT with others. I think that the reason for the sucess of Scratcht website is the interaction the users are able to do (to publish the project they want, to give it a tag, to evaluate it, to do it with others projects too...)! I have been navigating on the website for a while now, and it is quite amazing how the users are talking to each other, eg: "how did you do this game? Where did you get this music from? How to make the animation like this?", etc. One of our difficulties deepening the use of Etoys inside the school is: we don't have yet a proper place where the teacher and the kids can actually see what other people are making with Etoys, and to interact with them. There are many kids here with many projects inside their XOs that are still there (and talking with colleagues from Uruguai and around, it is the same thing)! One important thing is to consider who are (or will be) the users of the website? I think that an essencial part of the E-toys comunity is the children who are creating projects around the world. If we take that into account, what I would aim is an evironment (inside the Squeakland or not) aimed to easy publication (upload) and download, running the projects online (like the Illinois website, for example) and mainly interaction. May be there are worries about having only finished and more elaborated projects published. I think that the users themselves should have the oportunity to regulate what the website is showing (top viewed, top rated, newest projects, etc). Like Nevit Dilmen said, may be thats too dificult too maintain, to moderate, etc but thats what I think we should go for...
All the best,
Bruno Sperb
queakland-request@squeakland.org escreveu:
Send squeakland mailing list submissions to squeakland@squeakland.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to squeakland-request@squeakland.org
You can reach the person managing the list at squeakland-owner@squeakland.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of squeakland digest..."
Today's Topics:
- Re: on having two squeakland websites (Timothy Falconer)
- Re: [etoys-dev] Etoys documentation TOC (Karl Ramberg)
- we have officially overtaken etoys.com in google (Timothy Falconer)
- Re: on having two squeakland websites (Yoshiki Ohshima)
- Re: Etoys documentation TOC (Rita Freudenberg)
- education meeting notes (Rita Freudenberg)
- Re: on having two squeakland websites (Rita Freudenberg)
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:29:04 -0400 From: Timothy Falconer timothy@squeakland.org Subject: Re: [squeakland] on having two squeakland websites To: Nevit Dilmen nevilo@yahoo.com Message-ID: 52AA14A9-958B-45B5-9939-26BFAE709943@squeakland.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Nevit Dilmen wrote:
As an eToys user you can count me as this "few". I strongly agree with this idea, and believe eToys has been pretty late in this decision. The websites does not necessarily be hosted on seperate domains. But all can be handled with subdomains.
village.squeakland.org, projects.squeakland.org, forum.squeakland.org, wiki.squeakland.org, blogs.squeakland.org, info.squekland.org , www.squeakland.org . etc.
As with all suggestions, I'm open to ideas, but in this particular case, I'd like some serious community discussion about this. I'd like there to be solid, compelling, reasons for such a move.
Here are the reasons I'm against "splitting the baby", as IMO would happen if we make two sites. I'll distinguish as squeakland.org (official) and etoysville.com (community).
I will not go in details below, one by one as you suggested. I would instead compare eToys with Scratch which is a project launched later than eToys and based on Squeak code.
Scratch has been a huge success perhaps because of it's community website. The community website is not a separate domain as suggested above but is the main site. It includes areas for official announcements but the majority of site is composed of project area with more than 500.000 projects hosted. The second major part of the site is forum and both use unified login. Projects are uploaded right from within the application. Projects are shared and hosted with Creative Commons licence which allows recycling and use for educational purposes.
The official areas of the site include blog, downloads, translations, research, info, credits, quotes, news, store, donations, conference, scratch day & learning materials.
The important question to be answered is does VPRI or sponsors behind eToys project have enough financial and man power resources to launch such a major project with huge design, hosting and maintenance demands? And are they willing to do so.
Nevit,
We *will* be launching a public showcase in the next two weeks, where users can share directly from Etoys. This is a major feature of the new release.
The debate is about whether these public projects show on a separate website or seperate-looking section.
I'm in favor of the Scratch way (integrated as a major part of the main site). Others want the look and navigation to be different than the main website, to feel like a separate place than the main website.
I agree that a public showcase has been a long time coming. Our proposal for last year's website redesign included a Scratch-like public showcase, with features such as curriculum overlays. This part was cut largely because VPRI didn't feel they had the manpower to moderate a public showcase effectively.
Now that control has been passed to Squeakland Foundation, we're creating this public showcase as one of our first, top, priorities.
Take care, Tim
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:47:47 +0200 From: Karl Ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Etoys documentation TOC To: Rita Freudenberg rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Cc: etoys dev etoys-dev@squeakland.org, "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org Message-ID: 4AA00143.2040001@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 2009-09-03 13:01, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
Hi all,
as you all know we don't really have an Etoys documentation. So let's start writing it. As I wrote earlier I propose to use FLOSS Manuals. It is used by the olpc and sugar community for writing manuals and books. To get started we should have a TOC outline. Here are my suggestions:
- Introduction (short description what etoys is about)
- Getting started (technical description on how to install and start
etoys on different operating systems) 3. User Interface (painting tools, halo, viewer ...) 4. Tiles (describing every available tile) 5. Objects (everything from the supplies bin and object catalogue, flaps)
What am I missing? Of course we can have subchapters and also later add main chapters if we find out we need it. Here is the manual for TurtleArt so you can get the idea what our documentation could look like: http://en.flossmanuals.net/turtleart
What do you think? If we come up with a TOC outline I can send it to Anne Gentle from FLOSS manuals to set it up and we can start writing:)
Greetings, Rita
Oh, and I made the UpdatingScreenshotMorph: http://tracker.immuexa.com/browse/SQ-96 The nice thing with it is that if you take a UpdatingScreenShot of a script for example and add in your BookMorph or text you don't have to make a new screenshot if you change the script or language because it updates :-) So if we keep the documentation internal in Squeak as long as possible this could maybe be helpful.
Karl
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:52:43 -0400 From: Timothy Falconer timothy@squeakland.org Subject: [squeakland] we have officially overtaken etoys.com in google To: "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org Message-ID: E9A8D80A-0C8C-4D56-97EA-0BB81ACEC5B8@squeakland.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Hi everyone,
Something surprising and new . . .
http://www.google.com/search?q=etoys
We're #1, ahead of etoys.com. This is a pretty clear indication of word spreading about us. (Yes etoys.com still sells toys.)
We're still very low in "educational software" and similar searches (Alice is on page 6, Scratch much further down).
Keep linking to us, that's how it works.
Take care, Tim
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:01:39 -0700 From: Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@vpri.org Subject: Re: [squeakland] on having two squeakland websites To: "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org Message-ID: uws4fy3vg.wl%yoshiki@vpri.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
I finally read the thread...
- it's just confusing to have two sites
Maybe this is only the real one and other 9 or 8 items are concequences of it?
C) squeakland is built on storymill, which is not "free and open source" or written in Squeak itself
Did anybody say that? There was "what you write is different from what I read" aspect in some conversations, but if you are implying what I wrote sometime before, what I wrote was "an openly-available platform" so that one developer can control (by that I meant that the developer can test and look at both the server (like logs and error messages) and client, and not putting anybody on the critical path.
But, as people agreed, we go with the plan. So, the question comes down to "when" we really work on it and make it work. Can you tell me (or some other developer) when you have quality time so that can work together?
-- Yoshiki
And the last reason, which has not been publicly stated, but I suspect exists . . .
D) some people are frustrated with me personally and want the freedom to change things without me saying "well, what about so and so"
Well, *if* you follow what you wrote below, you probably name "some people", so that not leaving everybody in the community wondering "hmm, maybe my body language really sucks and I'm giving wrong impression on Tim?"
But no, don't do that. Instead, you should just try to "read" what is written as it is, and not to "interpret" too much. That is the key of text-based technical conversation.
-- Yoshiki
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:13:19 +0200 From: Rita Freudenberg rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Subject: Re: [squeakland] Etoys documentation TOC To: Timothy Falconer timothy@immuexa.com Cc: "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org, etoys dev etoys-dev@squeakland.org Message-ID: 4AA0DA2F.3020802@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Timothy Falconer wrote:
On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Timothy Falconer wrote:
On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
Hi all,
as you all know we don't really have an Etoys documentation. So let's start writing it. As I wrote earlier I propose to use FLOSS Manuals. It is used by the olpc and sugar community for writing manuals and books. To get started we should have a TOC outline. Here are my suggestions:
- Introduction (short description what etoys is about)
- Getting started (technical description on how to install and
start etoys on different operating systems) 3. User Interface (painting tools, halo, viewer ...) 4. Tiles (describing every available tile) 5. Objects (everything from the supplies bin and object catalogue, flaps)
What am I missing? Of course we can have subchapters and also later add main chapters if we find out we need it. Here is the manual for TurtleArt so you can get the idea what our documentation could look like: http://en.flossmanuals.net/turtleart
What do you think? If we come up with a TOC outline I can send it to Anne Gentle from FLOSS manuals to set it up and we can start writing:)
It's a good list. So this would be more of a reference manual than a getting started guide? (with tutorials)
Yes, a reference manual is what I had in mind. I'm sorry for not making that clear.
We could link back to the Etoys unit of the courseware for the gentler intro.
Also, just want to highlight that we actually do have some documentation (with even a big PDF):
http://squeakland.org/tutorials/guides/
Kathleen's work is concise and useful, and should be used where possible in the FLOSS version.
Definitely, I will not have the same things written again, but collect it at one place. And since it is a reference manual, it will be shorter than other materials, but complete. As Bert pointed out "it defines the boundary of what we consider officially supported, and what not."
Rita
Tim
Bruno,
I completely agree, and you'll be seeing all that you mention in less than a week.
Stay tuned, Tim
On Sep 12, 2009, at 8:24 PM, Bruno Sperb wrote:
Hi everyone,
Im afraid it can be a bit too late to talk about this very rich squeakland discussion, but still... :) From our work directly with the kids and teachers with Etoys, I think that the most important thing is to have an environment where everyone can create their space: have a profile, public their projects and INTERACT with others. I think that the reason for the sucess of Scratcht website is the interaction the users are able to do (to publish the project they want, to give it a tag, to evaluate it, to do it with others projects too...)! I have been navigating on the website for a while now, and it is quite amazing how the users are talking to each other, eg: "how did you do this game? Where did you get this music from? How to make the animation like this?", etc. One of our difficulties deepening the use of Etoys inside the school is: we don't have yet a proper place where the teacher and the kids can actually see what other people are making with Etoys, and to interact with them. There are many kids here with many projects inside their XOs that are still there (and talking with colleagues from Uruguai and around, it is the same thing)! One important thing is to consider who are (or will be) the users of the website? I think that an essencial part of the E-toys comunity is the children who are creating projects around the world. If we take that into account, what I would aim is an evironment (inside the Squeakland or not) aimed to easy publication (upload) and download, running the projects online (like the Illinois website, for example) and mainly interaction. May be there are worries about having only finished and more elaborated projects published. I think that the users themselves should have the oportunity to regulate what the website is showing (top viewed, top rated, newest projects, etc). Like Nevit Dilmen said, may be thats too dificult too maintain, to moderate, etc but thats what I think we should go for...
All the best,
Bruno Sperb
queakland-request@squeakland.org escreveu:
Send squeakland mailing list submissions to squeakland@squeakland.org
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to squeakland-request@squeakland.org
You can reach the person managing the list at squeakland-owner@squeakland.org
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of squeakland digest..."
Today's Topics:
- Re: on having two squeakland websites (Timothy Falconer)
- Re: [etoys-dev] Etoys documentation TOC (Karl Ramberg)
- we have officially overtaken etoys.com in google (Timothy Falconer)
- Re: on having two squeakland websites (Yoshiki Ohshima)
- Re: Etoys documentation TOC (Rita Freudenberg)
- education meeting notes (Rita Freudenberg)
- Re: on having two squeakland websites (Rita Freudenberg)
Message: 1 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 06:29:04 -0400 From: Timothy Falconer timothy@squeakland.org Subject: Re: [squeakland] on having two squeakland websites To: Nevit Dilmen nevilo@yahoo.com Message-ID: 52AA14A9-958B-45B5-9939-26BFAE709943@squeakland.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
On Sep 2, 2009, at 7:16 PM, Nevit Dilmen wrote:
As an eToys user you can count me as this "few". I strongly agree with this idea, and believe eToys has been pretty late in this decision. The websites does not necessarily be hosted on seperate domains. But all can be handled with subdomains.
village.squeakland.org, projects.squeakland.org, forum.squeakland.org , wiki.squeakland.org, blogs.squeakland.org, info.squekland.org , www.squeakland.org . etc.
As with all suggestions, I'm open to ideas, but in this particular case, I'd like some serious community discussion about this. I'd like there to be solid, compelling, reasons for such a move. Here are the reasons I'm against "splitting the baby", as IMO would happen if we make two sites. I'll distinguish as squeakland.org (official) and etoysville.com (community).
I will not go in details below, one by one as you suggested. I would instead compare eToys with Scratch which is a project launched later than eToys and based on Squeak code.
Scratch has been a huge success perhaps because of it's community website. The community website is not a separate domain as suggested above but is the main site. It includes areas for official announcements but the majority of site is composed of project area with more than 500.000 projects hosted. The second major part of the site is forum and both use unified login. Projects are uploaded right from within the application. Projects are shared and hosted with Creative Commons licence which allows recycling and use for educational purposes.
The official areas of the site include blog, downloads, translations, research, info, credits, quotes, news, store, donations, conference, scratch day & learning materials.
The important question to be answered is does VPRI or sponsors behind eToys project have enough financial and man power resources to launch such a major project with huge design, hosting and maintenance demands? And are they willing to do so.
Nevit,
We *will* be launching a public showcase in the next two weeks, where users can share directly from Etoys. This is a major feature of the new release.
The debate is about whether these public projects show on a separate website or seperate-looking section.
I'm in favor of the Scratch way (integrated as a major part of the main site). Others want the look and navigation to be different than the main website, to feel like a separate place than the main website.
I agree that a public showcase has been a long time coming. Our proposal for last year's website redesign included a Scratch-like public showcase, with features such as curriculum overlays. This part was cut largely because VPRI didn't feel they had the manpower to moderate a public showcase effectively.
Now that control has been passed to Squeakland Foundation, we're creating this public showcase as one of our first, top, priorities.
Take care, Tim
Message: 2 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 19:47:47 +0200 From: Karl Ramberg karlramberg@gmail.com Subject: [squeakland] Re: [etoys-dev] Etoys documentation TOC To: Rita Freudenberg rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Cc: etoys dev etoys-dev@squeakland.org, "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org Message-ID: 4AA00143.2040001@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
On 2009-09-03 13:01, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
Hi all,
as you all know we don't really have an Etoys documentation. So let's start writing it. As I wrote earlier I propose to use FLOSS Manuals. It is used by the olpc and sugar community for writing manuals and books. To get started we should have a TOC outline. Here are my suggestions:
- Introduction (short description what etoys is about)
- Getting started (technical description on how to install and
start etoys on different operating systems) 3. User Interface (painting tools, halo, viewer ...) 4. Tiles (describing every available tile) 5. Objects (everything from the supplies bin and object catalogue, flaps)
What am I missing? Of course we can have subchapters and also later add main chapters if we find out we need it. Here is the manual for TurtleArt so you can get the idea what our documentation could look like: http://en.flossmanuals.net/turtleart
What do you think? If we come up with a TOC outline I can send it to Anne Gentle from FLOSS manuals to set it up and we can start writing:)
Greetings, Rita
Oh, and I made the UpdatingScreenshotMorph: http://tracker.immuexa.com/browse/SQ-96 The nice thing with it is that if you take a UpdatingScreenShot of a script for example and add in your BookMorph or text you don't have to make a new screenshot if you change the script or language because it updates :-) So if we keep the documentation internal in Squeak as long as possible this could maybe be helpful.
Karl
Message: 3 Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:52:43 -0400 From: Timothy Falconer timothy@squeakland.org Subject: [squeakland] we have officially overtaken etoys.com in google To: "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org Message-ID: E9A8D80A-0C8C-4D56-97EA-0BB81ACEC5B8@squeakland.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes
Hi everyone,
Something surprising and new . . .
http://www.google.com/search?q=etoys
We're #1, ahead of etoys.com. This is a pretty clear indication of word spreading about us. (Yes etoys.com still sells toys.)
We're still very low in "educational software" and similar searches (Alice is on page 6, Scratch much further down).
Keep linking to us, that's how it works.
Take care, Tim
Message: 4 Date: Thu, 03 Sep 2009 17:01:39 -0700 From: Yoshiki Ohshima yoshiki@vpri.org Subject: Re: [squeakland] on having two squeakland websites To: "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org Message-ID: uws4fy3vg.wl%yoshiki@vpri.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
I finally read the thread...
- it's just confusing to have two sites
Maybe this is only the real one and other 9 or 8 items are concequences of it?
C) squeakland is built on storymill, which is not "free and open source" or written in Squeak itself
Did anybody say that? There was "what you write is different from what I read" aspect in some conversations, but if you are implying what I wrote sometime before, what I wrote was "an openly-available platform" so that one developer can control (by that I meant that the developer can test and look at both the server (like logs and error messages) and client, and not putting anybody on the critical path.
But, as people agreed, we go with the plan. So, the question comes down to "when" we really work on it and make it work. Can you tell me (or some other developer) when you have quality time so that can work together?
-- Yoshiki
And the last reason, which has not been publicly stated, but I suspect exists . . .
D) some people are frustrated with me personally and want the freedom to change things without me saying "well, what about so and so"
Well, *if* you follow what you wrote below, you probably name "some people", so that not leaving everybody in the community wondering "hmm, maybe my body language really sucks and I'm giving wrong impression on Tim?"
But no, don't do that. Instead, you should just try to "read" what is written as it is, and not to "interpret" too much. That is the key of text-based technical conversation.
-- Yoshiki
Message: 5 Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 11:13:19 +0200 From: Rita Freudenberg rita@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Subject: Re: [squeakland] Etoys documentation TOC To: Timothy Falconer timothy@immuexa.com Cc: "squeakland.org mailing list" squeakland@squeakland.org, etoys dev etoys-dev@squeakland.org Message-ID: 4AA0DA2F.3020802@isg.cs.uni-magdeburg.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
Timothy Falconer wrote:
On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:23 AM, Timothy Falconer wrote:
On Sep 3, 2009, at 7:01 AM, Rita Freudenberg wrote:
Hi all,
as you all know we don't really have an Etoys documentation. So let's start writing it. As I wrote earlier I propose to use FLOSS Manuals. It is used by the olpc and sugar community for writing manuals and books. To get started we should have a TOC outline. Here are my suggestions:
- Introduction (short description what etoys is about)
- Getting started (technical description on how to install and
start etoys on different operating systems) 3. User Interface (painting tools, halo, viewer ...) 4. Tiles (describing every available tile) 5. Objects (everything from the supplies bin and object catalogue, flaps)
What am I missing? Of course we can have subchapters and also later add main chapters if we find out we need it. Here is the manual for TurtleArt so you can get the idea what our documentation could look like: http://en.flossmanuals.net/turtleart
What do you think? If we come up with a TOC outline I can send it to Anne Gentle from FLOSS manuals to set it up and we can start writing:)
It's a good list. So this would be more of a reference manual than a getting started guide? (with tutorials)
Yes, a reference manual is what I had in mind. I'm sorry for not making that clear.
We could link back to the Etoys unit of the courseware for the gentler intro.
Also, just want to highlight that we actually do have some documentation (with even a big PDF):
http://squeakland.org/tutorials/guides/
Kathleen's work is concise and useful, and should be used where possible in the FLOSS version.
Definitely, I will not have the same things written again, but collect it at one place. And since it is a reference manual, it will be shorter than other materials, but complete. As Bert pointed out "it defines the boundary of what we consider officially supported, and what not."
Rita
Tim
-- Bruno Fagundes Sperb cel - 96853758
Faça ligações para outros computadores com o novo Yahoo! Messenger http://br.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ squeakland mailing list squeakland@squeakland.org http://lists.squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
At Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:33:47 -0400, Timothy Falconer wrote:
Bruno,
I completely agree, and you'll be seeing all that you mention in less than a week.
Stay tuned,
Yes, but remember that we even said that we would have a release before Squeakfest^^; So please don't take the actual date too seriously.
-- Yoshiki
On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:59 PM, Yoshiki Ohshima wrote:
At Sat, 12 Sep 2009 20:33:47 -0400, Timothy Falconer wrote:
Bruno,
I completely agree, and you'll be seeing all that you mention in less than a week.
Stay tuned,
Yes, but remember that we even said that we would have a release before Squeakfest^^; So please don't take the actual date too seriously.
I'm pretty sure we didn't promise Etoys 4.0 or the showcase to anyone before Squeakfest. It was an internal goal. Goals are often just that ... something to shoot for. Promises are another thing.
The "next week" date is more solid, especially for admin users like Bruno who already use the storymill admin.
Tim
At Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:24:29 -0300, Bruno Sperb wrote:
Hi everyone,
Im afraid it can be a bit too late to talk about this very rich squeakland discussion, but still... :) From our work directly with the kids and teachers with Etoys, I think that the most important thing is to have an environment where everyone can create their space: have a profile, public their projects and INTERACT with others. I think that the reason for the sucess of Scratcht website is the interaction the users are able to do (to publish the project they want, to give it a tag, to evaluate it, to do it with others projects too...)! I have been navigating on the website for a while now, and it is quite amazing how the users are talking to each other, eg: "how did you do this game? Where did you get this music from? How to make the animation like this?", etc. One of our difficulties deepening the use of Etoys inside the school is: we don't have yet a proper place where the teacher and the kids can actually see what other people are making with Etoys, and to interact with them. There are many kids here with many projects inside their XOs that are still there (and talking with colleagues from Uruguai and around, it is the same thing)! One important thing is to consider who are (or will be) the users of the website? I think that an essencial part of the E-toys comunity is the children who are creating projects around the world. If we take that into account, what I would aim is an evironment (inside the Squeakland or not) aimed to easy publication (upload) and download, running the projects online (like the Illinois website, for example) and mainly interaction. May be there are worries about having only finished and more elaborated projects published. I think that the users themselves should have the oportunity to regulate what the website is showing (top viewed, top rated, newest projects, etc). Like Nevit Dilmen said, may be thats too dificult too maintain, to moderate, etc but thats what I think we should go for...
This kind of discussion is always important. Thanks, Bruno.
As far as I can tell from hearing some of the ideas, the squeakland site is more focused on the education contents than Scratch's site. It seems to be going to have stronger reviewing of projects upon loading, and I'd imagine that that means that the user comments on the site are subject to reviewing before show up on the site. In that sense, it wouldn't be "like Scratch's site", but somewhat diffferent.
We'll see how it comes out.
-- Yoshiki
squeakland@lists.squeakfoundation.org
-
Bruno Sperb -
Timothy Falconer -
Yoshiki Ohshima