I've been following this discussion. My question is: will kids learn better as a result?
For me, Squeak remains a research system that serves several purposes. And, as I've said before, the present is a place holder for the future. So, as Alan has said (or something like) challenge yourself to do the work to make the future that you imagine, happen.
It's rather academic to me whether Logo is better or worse than Squeak. I've already admitted to being a profound tech illiterata. What I'm interested in, is the creation of rich opportunities for substantive learning that can be provided for kids--and adults.
Keep workin' on all of 'em because I get my kicks out of getting them into places where kids can actually use them.
If I had to comment on one feature of Squeak that is comprehensible to me it would be that Squeak is open source. You can help yourself to as much as you like and no one will accuse you of greed. However, you are obligated to contribute to others when you create something worthwhile. So, create something worthwhile, and make your contribution.
And speaking of good books, I checked my local library on-line catalogue to see whether the catalogue is as interesting as Amazon.com. You're right again, Alan. Searching titles on Amazon.com is much deeper, a lot more interesting--and colourful. I quite enjoyed considering the choices with a different perspective since you offered your comments a while ago.
I suppose one sometimes mistakes a value for just plain prejudice.
Sheine
-----Original Message----- From: Alan Kay [SMTP:Alan.Kay@squeakland.org] Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2003 3:12 PM To: diegogomezdeck@consultar.com; squeakland@squeakland.org Subject: [Squeakland] Don't forget about Boxer
As long as we are being ecumenical, don't forget about Andy diSessa and his (and earlier Hal Abelson's) Boxer work that has been going on for many years at Berkeley. A recent deep book about this is:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0262041804/qid=1060452055/sr =1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-0148370-7612902?v=glance&s=books
There are many great ideas and valuable insights here.
Cheers,
Alan
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