I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures, but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org on behalf of Randy Heiland Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Cc: Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana school teachers on Squeak went reasonably well. More to come. But for starters, one teacher who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was possible to capture movies within Squeak. I told her no, I didn't think so, but wanted to verify this. I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the mpegplayer. I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit tricky - with multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to mention a possibly large file as output. Still, it would be nice to, say, capture frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie format. --Randy _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland
Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have time for it right now..."-posts:
The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/ graphic oriented and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the possibility to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world" "drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create Color Changing Command of B" etc... you get the idea.
To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel- based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach could be more compatibility between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that one could render the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one should be able to render the whole story into a non silent movie too.
Cheers,
Markus
On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures, but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org on behalf of Randy Heiland Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Cc: Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana school teachers on Squeak went reasonably well. More to come. But for starters, one teacher who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was possible to capture movies within Squeak. I told her no, I didn't think so, but wanted to verify this. I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the mpegplayer. I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit tricky - with multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to mention a possibly large file as output. Still, it would be nice to, say, capture frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie format.
--Randy
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But, if I read the original question -- it seems that it is about making movies that are playable in Squeak from other formats, including those that cameras use.
There are a variety of SW apps that can do this, and some of them are free, depending on which platform you have.
Cheers,
Alan
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At 01:18 PM 2/13/2006, Markus Gaelli wrote:
Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have time for it right now..."-posts:
The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/ graphic oriented and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the possibility to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world" "drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create Color Changing Command of B" etc... you get the idea.
To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel- based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach could be more compatibility between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that one could render the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one should be able to render the whole story into a non silent movie too.
Cheers,
Markus
On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures, but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org on behalf of Randy Heiland Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Cc: Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie? The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana schoolteachers on Squeak went reasonably well. More to come. But for starters, one teacher who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was possible to capture movies within Squeak. I told her no, I didn't think so, but wanted to verify this. I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the mpegplayer. I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit tricky - with multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to mention a possibly large file as output. Still, it would be nice to, say, capture frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie format.
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No, actually, the woman/teacher who originally asked this said she'd like to take movies generated in Squeak and be able to put them on the web, i.e. play in a browser. --Randy
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland- bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:10 AM To: Markus Gaelli; squeakland@squeakland.org Subject: Re: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
But, if I read the original question -- it seems that it is about making movies that are playable in Squeak from other formats, including those that cameras use.
There are a variety of SW apps that can do this, and some of them are free, depending on which platform you have.
Cheers,
Alan
At 01:18 PM 2/13/2006, Markus Gaelli wrote:
Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have time for it right now..."-posts:
The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/ graphic oriented and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the possibility to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world" "drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create Color Changing Command of B" etc... you get the idea.
To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel- based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach could be more compatibility between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that one could render the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one should be able to render the whole story into a non silent movie too.
Cheers,
Markus
On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures, but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org on behalf of RandyHeiland
Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Cc: Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie? The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana schoolteachers on Squeak went reasonably well. More to come. But for starters,
one
teacher who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was
possible to
capture movies within Squeak. I told her no, I didn't think so,but wanted to verify this. I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the mpegplayer. I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit tricky - with multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to mention a possibly large file as output. Still, it would be nice to, say, capture frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie
format.
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Oh ... Well, Takashi Yamamiya has done this, and I think he did use Wink.
Cheers,
Alan
At 09:22 AM 2/14/2006, Randy Heiland wrote:
No, actually, the woman/teacher who originally asked this said she'd like to take movies generated in Squeak and be able to put them on the web, i.e. play in a browser. --Randy
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland- bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:10 AM To: Markus Gaelli; squeakland@squeakland.org Subject: Re: [Squeakland] generate a movie?
But, if I read the original question -- it seems that it is about making movies that are playable in Squeak from other formats, including those that cameras use.
There are a variety of SW apps that can do this, and some of them are free, depending on which platform you have.
Cheers,
Alan
At 01:18 PM 2/13/2006, Markus Gaelli wrote:
Another of this annoying "It would be nice to have but I don't have time for it right now..."-posts:
The current event recorder (found in Objects Presentations) is pixel/ graphic oriented and quite broken, eg. it barks on color-picking or parameter-changing.
A nice feature of an upcoming squeak(land)/tweak version could be the possibility to log all user actions as high-level-commands like "open supplies flap" "drag-n-drop playfield A into world" "drag-n-drop playfield B into playfield A" "Open Viewer on B" "Create Color Changing Command of B" etc... you get the idea.
To record the canonical car-demo, one still would need to log pixel- based paint-strokes of fat black tires of course...
An advantage of such a more content and less pixel-oriented approach could be more compatibility between different images (be it squeakland or squeak-dev) and that one could render the log into some silent movie or latex/rtf format.
If one could annotate each command with a (spoken) comment, one should be able to render the whole story into a non silent movie too.
Cheers,
Markus
On Feb 13, 2006, at 4:53 PM, Arvind Grover wrote:
I had asked a similar question before, and Kim ran it by the Squeak development group. No easy answers. I have been using the free software Wink (http://www.debugmode.com/wink/) to capture animations to Flash movies. It is based on screen-shot captures, but allows for very nice annotations during movies.
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org on behalf of RandyHeiland
Sent: Sat 2/11/2006 4:10 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Cc: Subject: [Squeakland] generate a movie? The presentation I gave yesterday to about 25 Indiana schoolteachers on Squeak went reasonably well. More to come. But for starters,
one
teacher who had actually played with Squeak a bit asked if it was
possible to
capture movies within Squeak. I told her no, I didn't think so,but wanted to verify this. I know the Object Cataglog/Multimedia has the mpegplayer. I realize that doing movie capture, in general, can be a bit tricky - with multiple formats, quality and frame rate params, etc., not to mention a possibly large file as output. Still, it would be nice to, say, capture frames in playfield (start/stop) in some "standard" movie
format.
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Wink works well for instructing how to input data or control the interface.
Wink screen capture doesn't work so well if you are trying to show animation. I wonder if the World Morph could save exported GIF or JPG files at 10th of a second intervals to be imported into Wink to simulate animation. This will generate a large Wink file though.
http://www.debugmode.com/wink/
Cheers, Darius
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