Hi, all I've checked the Squeakfest'06 schedule page and donwloaded some of the materials that are available there. Unfortunately, the sound of the S. Papert speech recording is pretty bad, specially for those who don't have english as our native language, the noise make some parts really hard to be understood. Anyway, it's wonderful to be able to see it for all of us who haven't could attend this year. I would like to know more about how the event has gone, some of the topics of the schedule that look very promising, as SimBuilder, don't have any information at all, to know the state of the art for this project. But, what for me would be more useful is to know the general impression of the attendants to the current state of the Squeak use in particular, and of computers at schools in general. Squeak is more or less involved in a good bunch of projects as Tweak, Sophie, Croquet, Scratch, OLPC, etc, but the feeling I have from the distance is that all that cloud of projects don't seem to be followed by the educators, they just look like laboratory experiments, not being applied to the classroom except for some testing purposes. The main Squeak community seems to be quite stationary and almost no new projects (in terms of .pr files and also, in term of the application use) have arrived for the last year. Maybe it's just an impression as the squeakland site is not updated too often, maybe it's the real world. Some of you know that in Spain, in our Extremadura region, some crazy people are fighting trying to use the computers to build a new way of thinking and a new way of teaching, but the main stream in the educative community is really strong, and what I see here, and in the rest of the world is that most of the budget is going to pay applications or platforms that just translate the text books to the computers, as if that were enough to justify the use of computers in the classroom. When the teachers have their curricula contents in the computer as in the book, they feel safe. That's a stupid way of thinking for me as the text book is cheaper and easier to use, but people feel comfortable that way. So, ending with this too long mail, my main questions are: - what's the feeling people have brought after attending squeakfest? - Are there new development or projects being made in Squeak, or around its projects? - Any other related thing you would like to tell to all who felt sad not being in Chicago listening and learning.. Best Regards. José L.
Hi José,
First here come my answers to your questions:
So, ending with this too long mail, my main questions are:
- what's the feeling people have brought after attending squeakfest?
My feeling is some kind of general happiness and deep sense of opportunity and potential. There are some places where "all it's still to be done" but almost always that means that you have not yet a good thought concepts or technology enough mature. This is not the case with Squeak and all the related developments. It's just that is not main stream for some reason (but we can made it main stream). This has a lot of advantages, for example, community is small and warm and you don't see a lot of informal layers. You start to be part of this community very quickly.
- Are there new development or projects being made in Squeak, or around
its projects?
We have a educative experience using Squeak in Universities to teach a first course on introduction to informatics. You can see the main wiki page of Squeak for that course here:
http://www.eduwiki.info/IntroduccionInformatica/Squeak
Or search for squeak in the wiki search box to see some works of the students using squeak.
You can see also my presentation with the conceptual background of this experience in:
http://www.el-directorio.org/CharlaTallerSqueak
You will see also developments on Scratch, Tweak and Croquet in the project pages. May be will need to make some kind of "Squeak Ring" so, from one site you can reach another sites and may be we can put somekind of web bot to make cross searches in a lot of Squeak related sites, even if they support different microcommunities interactions and dinamics.
- Any other related thing you would like to tell to all who felt sad not
being in Chicago listening and learning..
I think that the most important thing, now that we have a small nice and warm community is to think how to make it bigger (not always bigger is better, but we need some kind of critical mass). This is some kind of memetic exercise ¿How we can make that the memes of Squeak travel better and faster in the macroculture? Of course I will not try to answer this here, but some clue could be on how we make a better travel of knowledge inside the microcommunity and between microcommunities. One of my attempts is try to make "hot documentation" in the wikis/blogs while the knowledge is acquired. If you follow the RecentChanges on el-directorio.org and eduwiki.info and give some places where I can follow that changes in your efforts may be we could make some bridges.
I share your concern about education, but things like the SqueakFest full me with hope.
Cheers,
Offray
José L. Redrejo Rodríguez escribió:
Hi, all I've checked the Squeakfest'06 schedule page and donwloaded some of the materials that are available there. Unfortunately, the sound of the S. Papert speech recording is pretty bad, specially for those who don't have english as our native language, the noise make some parts really hard to be understood. Anyway, it's wonderful to be able to see it for all of us who haven't could attend this year. I would like to know more about how the event has gone, some of the topics of the schedule that look very promising, as SimBuilder, don't have any information at all, to know the state of the art for this project. But, what for me would be more useful is to know the general impression of the attendants to the current state of the Squeak use in particular, and of computers at schools in general. Squeak is more or less involved in a good bunch of projects as Tweak, Sophie, Croquet, Scratch, OLPC, etc, but the feeling I have from the distance is that all that cloud of projects don't seem to be followed by the educators, they just look like laboratory experiments, not being applied to the classroom except for some testing purposes. The main Squeak community seems to be quite stationary and almost no new projects (in terms of .pr files and also, in term of the application use) have arrived for the last year. Maybe it's just an impression as the squeakland site is not updated too often, maybe it's the real world. Some of you know that in Spain, in our Extremadura region, some crazy people are fighting trying to use the computers to build a new way of thinking and a new way of teaching, but the main stream in the educative community is really strong, and what I see here, and in the rest of the world is that most of the budget is going to pay applications or platforms that just translate the text books to the computers, as if that were enough to justify the use of computers in the classroom. When the teachers have their curricula contents in the computer as in the book, they feel safe. That's a stupid way of thinking for me as the text book is cheaper and easier to use, but people feel comfortable that way.
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But, what for me would be more useful is to know the general impression of the attendants to the current state of the Squeak use in particular, and of computers at schools in general. Squeak is more or less involved in a good bunch of projects as Tweak, Sophie, Croquet, Scratch, OLPC, etc, but the feeling I have from the distance is that all that cloud of projects don't seem to be followed by the educators, they just look like laboratory experiments, not being applied to the classroom except for
I fell like there are a lack of solid experimentation, validation and output at the research level regarding the educational aspect of Squeak use in education.
some testing purposes. The main Squeak community seems to be quite stationary and almost no new projects (in terms of .pr files and also, in term of the application use) have arrived for the last year. Maybe
Well, there was this DrGeoII interactive geometry thinks I wrote earlier this year, but you already knows about it.
Hilaire
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