Hello all,
I'm an Architect here in the S.F. Bay Area who has in mind a few programs I would like to create. However, I haven't done any programming in a very long time, and am pretty much starting from scratch.
The programs I want to create pretty much fall into two different camps, one is taking plaintext & ODBC output from a CAD program (AutoDesk Revit) and doing various things to it, like parsing it to generate other documents, and the other is making some tools to issue commands to and generate plaintext files for Radiance, a command-line *nix rendering tool.
I've been playing around with Squeak, and love how elegant and easy to learn it is. However I'm concerned, for most of what I want to do is not so UI-orientated, but more little auto-utilities and/or scripts, that will possibly become command-line utilities. The intent is for these to become stand-alone tools that people could use alongside of their CAD software. As such, I'm worried that Squeak's 'all-in-one' image approach might not be the right way to approach generating these tools, for I don't understand how one would make a stand-alone application using Squeak. I also don't know how well Squeak deals with plaintext and ODBC files that live outside of it's image. This is totally due to my general lack of knowledge, and has nothing to do with any lacking in Squeak. :)
So my other thought is to learn Python; however the Architect part of me just loves Squeak, loves everything being OO and everything being able to be taken apart and modified on the fly- and the beginning programmer part loves how much is taken care of for me 'behind the scenes' leaving me to focus on the task at hand. However not understanding Squeak, and seeing that Python is already used by people to do similar tasks as the ones I'm thinking of, it makes me feel split between the two.
I see that there are such things as webservers and wikis that run within Squeak, do these run 'headless' or something? Can someone more knowledgeable chime in and talk about Squeaks ability to parse and modify exterior data?
Thanks all for your time,
Jeffrey McGrew Designer Huntsman Architectural Group 50 California Street, Seventh Floor San Francisco, CA 94111 Phone: (415) 394-1212 Fax: (415) 394-1222 Cell: (415) 505-4689
Hi Jeffrey,
Much can be said for and against each system but it appears to me that this discussion would be better taken care of on the general Squeak developers mailing list. There are lots of people with varying backgrounds on it and I'm sure several of them will be able to give you good advise on these issues. For finding out more about the Squeak developers mailing list see:
http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/listinfo/squeak-dev
See you there ;-)
Cheers, - Andreas
-----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey McGrew Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 7:11 PM To: squeakland@squeakland.org Subject: [Squeakland] Squeak vs. Python for this task on hand...
Hello all,
I'm an Architect here in the S.F. Bay Area who has inmind a few programs I would like to create. However, I haven't done any programming in a very long time, and am pretty much starting from scratch.
The programs I want to create pretty much fall into twodifferent camps, one is taking plaintext & ODBC output from a CAD program (AutoDesk Revit) and doing various things to it, like parsing it to generate other documents, and the other is making some tools to issue commands to and generate plaintext files for Radiance, a command-line *nix rendering tool.
I've been playing around with Squeak, and love howelegant and easy to learn it is. However I'm concerned, for most of what I want to do is not so UI-orientated, but more little auto-utilities and/or scripts, that will possibly become command-line utilities. The intent is for these to become stand-alone tools that people could use alongside of their CAD software. As such, I'm worried that Squeak's 'all-in-one' image approach might not be the right way to approach generating these tools, for I don't understand how one would make a stand-alone application using Squeak. I also don't know how well Squeak deals with plaintext and ODBC files that live outside of it's image. This is totally due to my general lack of knowledge, and has nothing to do with any lacking in Squeak. :)
So my other thought is to learn Python; however the Architect part of me just loves Squeak, loves everything being OO and everything being able to be taken apart and modified on the fly- and the beginning programmer part loves how much is taken care of for me 'behind the scenes' leaving me to focus on the task at hand. However not understanding Squeak, and seeing that Python is already used by people to do similar tasks as the ones I'm thinking of, it makes me feel split between the two.
I see that there are such things as webservers and wikis that run within Squeak, do these run 'headless' or something? Can someone more knowledgeable chime in and talk about Squeaks ability to parse and modify exterior data?
Thanks all for your time,
Jeffrey McGrew Designer Huntsman Architectural Group 50 California Street, Seventh Floor San Francisco, CA 94111 Phone: (415) 394-1212 Fax: (415) 394-1222 Cell: (415) 505-4689
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Jeffrey McGrew