squeakland December 2005

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Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Hi, Try this with an ellipse. If you change the scale factor, the yellow hallo will be gold, Squak will take a picture of the object at the original size , then show and resize this picture. Unless you put the scale factor to 1, you can not change length or width of the ellipse and the scale factor will change as you move the gold hallo.(as the scale factor is shown as an integer, it will step on integer values.) If the scale factor is 1, the hallo is light yellow and you can change length or width of the ellipse again. If you turn the ellipse with the bleu hallo, it is the same thing,you must turn back and get the light blue hallo (just a moment)to be able to to change length and width again. in other word there are two states one with light yellow hallo, shape can be mofified qnd object is not resized by "look like", one with gold hallo for which resizing is working. Regards -----Message d'origine----- De: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org A: 'Arvind Grover'; squeakland(a)squeakland.org Date: 09.12.05 16:32 Objet: Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation I'm still confused by this behavior and apparent solution. For starters, where exactly do you put/use the scale factor tile? I've attached the situation I was describing - which doesn't produce the desired behavior. I can imagine that a child/user would expect wysiwyg of items in the Holder and would expect to see the sketch animate/change size -- I certainly did. Aside: once again, I'm learning something interesting about Squeak that I didn't know. In this case, the interplay between a sketch's Scale halo and the scalefactor tile in the Geometry category. I now understand that the scalefactor is a global scale whereas the Scale halo allows for x/y scaling and doesn't affect the scalefactor - even, for example, when you would hold Shift to maintain aspect ratio. I also realize that once you do change the scalefactor, you can no longer do x/y scaling (independently) using the halo. --Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland- > bounces(a)squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Arvind Grover > Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 8:24 AM > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation > > I have tried this: the items in the holder are larger, and the ball is > very small. I have ball look like holders player at cursor, and then > holder's cursor increase by 1. > > When the animation begins, the ball grows to the larger shapes in the > holder. Even if I resize them all to a tiny size, the animation makes it > jump back to their original sizes. > > Dreyfuss's suggestion of changing the scale factor (<1 to make it > smaller) on the ball object worked perfectly. > > Thanks, > arvind > > -----Original Message----- > From: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org > [mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:23 PM > To: Arvind Grover; squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation > > Instead of resizing the drawings in the holder, try resizing the player > that is changing its costumes. I.e. if the script looks like: > > holder's cursor increase by 1 > ball look like holder's player at cursor > > then resize "ball". Whatever scaling ball has is applied to its > costumes. > > Cheers, > > Alan > > At 11:19 AM 12/8/2005, Arvind Grover wrote: > >My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. > They > >shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still > shows > >up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size > >information so the animation remains small? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Squeakland mailing list > >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland <<animation-scale.jpg>> <<ATT138234.txt>>

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NetMorph and siblings
by Randy Heiland 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

I finally got around to downloading/playing with NetMorph. Maybe I'll eventually post a web page of some of my initial experiments, but one thing I was hoping is that it would allow for siblings. However, it doesn't seem to handle siblings - e.g., when the main sketch enters an adjoining computer, but its siblings remain behind. Can someone confirm/clarify this? Thanks, Randy

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multiple authors?
by Bob Irving 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Does anyone know of any way for multiple authors to work on the same project? I realize the Chat badges aren't really functional, but I wondered if anyone has come up against this? I have 2 students working on the same project on two separate computers which are networked, and they would like to be able to compile changes (in other words, some sort of versioning system). I hope I've given enough information for someone to answer the question. Bob Irving Middle School Technology Facilitator Lancaster Country Day School Lancaster, PA Blog: www.e-lcds.org/wordpress/ "It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." W. Edward Deming

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Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Alan Kay 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

What happens if you change the size of the ball (or change its scale factor)? Cheers, Alan At 05:23 AM 12/9/2005, Arvind Grover wrote: >I have tried this: the items in the holder are larger, and the ball is >very small. I have ball look like holders player at cursor, and then >holder's cursor increase by 1. > >When the animation begins, the ball grows to the larger shapes in the >holder. Even if I resize them all to a tiny size, the animation makes it >jump back to their original sizes. > >Dreyfuss's suggestion of changing the scale factor (<1 to make it >smaller) on the ball object worked perfectly. > >Thanks, >arvind > >-----Original Message----- >From: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org >[mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay >Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:23 PM >To: Arvind Grover; squeakland(a)squeakland.org >Subject: Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation > >Instead of resizing the drawings in the holder, try resizing the player >that is changing its costumes. I.e. if the script looks like: > >holder's cursor increase by 1 >ball look like holder's player at cursor > >then resize "ball". Whatever scaling ball has is applied to its >costumes. > >Cheers, > >Alan > >At 11:19 AM 12/8/2005, Arvind Grover wrote: > >My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. >They > >shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still >shows > >up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size > >information so the animation remains small? > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Squeakland mailing list > >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Arvind Grover 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

I have tried this: the items in the holder are larger, and the ball is very small. I have ball look like holders player at cursor, and then holder's cursor increase by 1. When the animation begins, the ball grows to the larger shapes in the holder. Even if I resize them all to a tiny size, the animation makes it jump back to their original sizes. Dreyfuss's suggestion of changing the scale factor (<1 to make it smaller) on the ball object worked perfectly. Thanks, arvind -----Original Message----- From: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org [mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Alan Kay Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 7:23 PM To: Arvind Grover; squeakland(a)squeakland.org Subject: Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation Instead of resizing the drawings in the holder, try resizing the player that is changing its costumes. I.e. if the script looks like: holder's cursor increase by 1 ball look like holder's player at cursor then resize "ball". Whatever scaling ball has is applied to its costumes. Cheers, Alan At 11:19 AM 12/8/2005, Arvind Grover wrote: >My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. They >shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still shows >up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size >information so the animation remains small? > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland(a)squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Hi, what I was saying was not correct, I have tried more carefully , Below are the corrections. -----Message d'origine----- De: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org A: Arvind Grover ; squeakland(a)squeakland.org Date: 09.12.05 01:55 Objet: Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation Hi, You must use the scaleFactor tile which is in the geometry category to resize the object which looks like an other object. otherwise, it lhas the original size of the original graphic. Another way therefore is to resize all the objects in the holder. - This is not working, you get always the priginal size of the graphic. Resizing the object is only working if the object has been turned so thaz omotethy applied to it. The yellow hallo is gold. if you return to the original orientation Blue orientation( hallo light blue) , resizing is no more working Regards Regards -----Message d'origine----- De: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org A: squeakland(a)squeakland.org Date: 08.12.05 20:19 Objet: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. They shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still shows up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size information so the animation remains small? _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland(a)squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland(a)squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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"Open Viewer" Error in Squeak-Alice
by Ikem Nzeribe 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Hi. I'm trying to explore Alice in Squeak, using the "3d fishbowl" tutorial (by Diego Gomez Deck). When I try to open the Viewer for my newly created 3d-fish, I get a "MessageNotUnderstood: WonderlandActor" error. Now, I'm sure this is not supposed to happen, lol. Is there any way to solve this? I'm new here... thanks for your collective genius. Ikem.

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Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Dreyfuss Pierre-André (EDU) 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Hi, You mest use the scaleFactor tile which is in the geometry category to resize the object which looks like an other object. otherwise, effectively it looks like the object withe the same size. Another way therefore is to resize all the objects in the holder. Regards -----Message d'origine----- De: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org A: squeakland(a)squeakland.org Date: 08.12.05 20:19 Objet: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. They shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still shows up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size information so the animation remains small? _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland(a)squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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Re: [Squeakland] resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Alan Kay 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

Instead of resizing the drawings in the holder, try resizing the player that is changing its costumes. I.e. if the script looks like: holder's cursor increase by 1 ball look like holder's player at cursor then resize "ball". Whatever scaling ball has is applied to its costumes. Cheers, Alan At 11:19 AM 12/8/2005, Arvind Grover wrote: >My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. They >shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still shows >up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size >information so the animation remains small? > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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resizing doesn't stick in holder animation
by Arvind Grover 09 Dec '05

09 Dec '05

My students have created drawings, and are using them in animations. They shrink them down using the change size handle. The animation still shows up as the original size. Is there any way to store the new size information so the animation remains small?

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