squeakland February 2005

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Re: [Squeakland] Help recovering continued
by Bob Irving 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Thanks for the note, Kim. When I say it "got gridded" (sorry for the non-technical language), I mean that it instantly hung: the grid appeared, the progress bar never showed up, and I lost control of the window by any means other than hitting ESC. I couldn't click on anything at that point, or any point thereafter. I have discovered that (usually) if I choose "Publish As", all will work as you describe, except for the incident today. It may be that I am a relative newbie to Squeak, but I think it's got so much potential that I really want to make it work. I'm using it in my grade 6 computers class, and in my grade 7 programming class with slightly different emphases. I love the concrete nature of it for teaching programming. Is the debug file a separate file? Is that saved in the same folder as the .pr file? I know that I can get info when I try to debug using the ESC button, but that has several different views and doesn't seem to be an actual file I can send. Thanks, Bob Irving >>> Kim Rose <kim.rose(a)squeakland.org> 1/31/2005 5:47:08 PM >>> Hi, Bob - When you say "it got gridded" do you mean did it totally hang up? You are probably aware, but every project when 'publishing" will show the "grid overlay" at first. This then prompts a progress bar that changes color as the individual objects are saved. When the cycle has successfully completed, the progress bar and grid disappear leaving the (now published) project on your screen and the .pr file in your desired folder. I am guessing you mean the project froze or hung in the process while watching the progress bar...??? Please do send your debug file to Mike Rueger -- address above and copied of this mail. THanks! You might also want to send him the project you are having trouble publishing, too. sorry for these hassles! Kim At 12:13 PM -0500 1/31/05, Bob Irving wrote: >Well, > >I thought I had it solved: hold the click on Publish It, and wait for >the menu of options, then choose Publish As, and choose User (which puts >it in My Documents in XP). A bit awkward, but workable. Except today, >I tried that and it gridded as soon as I clicked on Publish It, while I >was demonstrating to a student on how to save his project. >Unfortunately, I said something I shouldn't have said in front of a >student! > >Be that as it may, I would like to submit my debug info somewhere. How >and where should I send it? > >TIA, >Bob Irving > >Bob Irving >Middle School Technology Facilitator >Lancaster Country Day School >Lancaster, PA >"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." W. Edward >Deming >>>> Kim Rose <kim.rose(a)squeakland.org> 01/24/05 8:07 PM >>> >Hi, Bob - >The publish it default is to the local disk. What happens when you >don't hold down on Publish it to get all options and just click >quickly on Publish it? This should prompt a naming dialog box and be >the simple way to publish/save straight onto your local drive (if >that's indeed what you wish to do.) > >Sorry to hear you are having problems. >Let us know if you've gotten them resolved or need more help, >Kim > > > > >At 3:27 PM -0500 1/21/05, Bob Irving wrote: >>Thanks for the responses so far. >> >>Here is the pertinent info * >> >>Win XP >>IE 6 >>Sqeak 3.2.4913 >>Update 227 >> >>I choose Publish As when I click and hold on the Publish It! option on >>the Navigator. >>I then get the Publish This Project dialog box, and one of the options >>is the MyDocuments folder on the local machine. However, if you don't >>know to click and hold on the Publish It! option, I think it defaults >to >>publish on a server or somewhere else, and the system hangs. >> >>Hope this helps. I won't be able to find an errorlog until next week >>(got all the computers locked in their cart). >> >>Thanks again, >> >> >>Bob Irving >>Middle School Technology Facilitator >>Lancaster Country Day School >>Lancaster, PA >>"It is not necessary to change. Survival is not mandatory." W. Edward >>Deming >>_______________________________________________ >>Squeakland mailing list >>Squeakland(a)squeakland.org >>http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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RE: [Squeakland] PPT presentation
by Randy Heiland 01 Feb '05

01 Feb '05

Thanks David. I just started experimenting with this approach. I did indeed get to the ThreadNavigator and somehow got projects loaded into it. Note the lack of understanding in that statement. Sorry to be so dense, but: Q1: is a ThreadNavigator (TN) persistent; i.e., can I save it to disk as I can projects? (a 'no' answer to this will cause me to reconsider this approach) Q2: what are the exact steps for adding an *existing* project to a TN? When I create a New project (that I eventually want added to a TN), it gives me a clean world and I lose the TN. I'm confused. About the Book approach, thanks Kim for distinguishing the Book from the Page. That was not at all obvious to me and it helped a great deal. --Randy > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell, David [CC] [mailto:David.Mitchell@mail.sprint.com] > Sent: Friday, January 28, 2005 9:32 AM > To: Randy Heiland > Subject: RE: [Squeakland] PPT presentation > > I have conducted and watched a number of Squeak presentations, using > both Projects and BookMorphs. > > The Project approach has worked much better for me. You are working with > the whole screen, you can import other projects to act as pages. > > Choose Supplies, Object Navigator, Navigation, and then drag out a > ThreadNavigator. > > Click the Orange handle on the navigator to bring up a menu for adding > pages or reording the flow of the presentation. > > On the general Squeak wiki (not Squeakland), has a page that talks about > both approaches (BookMorphs and Projects with the ThreadNavigator). > > Good luck, > > David Mitchell > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org > [mailto:squeakland-bounces@squeakland.org] On Behalf Of Randy Heiland > Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 4:17 AM > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: [Squeakland] PPT presentation > > > Hi Squeakers, > > I want to do a Powerpoint-like presentation in Squeak. That is to say, > I want to do a multi-"page" presentation, where I have a few simple > concepts (with large-font text + graphics) on each page. What is the > best way to do this in Squeak? I thought it would be nice to use the > Navigator's Prev/Next buttons to let me step through my presentation > ("pages"). However, this would of course mean that each page is a > project, which seems strange - unless there's some concept of a "parent" > project that could serve as a way of letting me step thru children. > > I know there is a 'Book' in the Supplies tab. However, unless I'm > missing something, a Book doesn't let me draw graphics into its pages. > > Anyway, I welcome your suggestions. > > --Randy > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland >

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