If there was a single way to launch an application that worked flawlessly on all platforms, we certainly would have used it for Etoys-To-Go. Unfortunately, there isn't - and Java is not a solution either, as you discovered, contrary to all marketing.
IMHO it's best to just tell the kids which icon to double-click on their machine. They'll do fine ;)
That said, it's great to hear you're teaching Etoys :)
- Bert -
On 05.04.2011, at 05:54, Derek Redfern wrote:
My apologies - I replied to this, but was not signed on to all the lists so I think my message got rejected.
It's part of a custom system we have set up for ease of use. We want people to be able to just execute a single file for any system, so we wrote a jar file to detect the OS and start the proper Etoys executable accordingly.
For clarification - I'm working with Caroline on the Somerville project.
Thanks!
Derek
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 23:45, Caryl Bigenho cbigenho@hotmail.com wrote: Hi...
I have tested Etoys to go, downloaded from the Squeakland site and found it works fine on PC (Windows) and Mac... even the older Power PC Macs. Nothing special installed. Just plug in the stick and open it. Projects totally transferrable between machines. It is a great resource.
Caryl
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:53:36 -0400 From: sthomas1@gosargon.com To: caroline@solutiongrove.com CC: redfern.derek@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; squeakland@squeakland.org; one2one2go---somerville-ma@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] First day of Etoys class in Somerville
Caroline,
You also mentioned that: Etoys on a stick only works when java is installed on the computer. Several of the computers did not have java and no one knows the admin password to install it.
This seems really strange, are you running Etoys inside a browser?
Stephen
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: Caroline,
Your students asked: Etoys questions include: How do we make a mouth that moves? When you first open Etoys click on the "Gallery of Projects" then in the second row, first item from the left is a "Bouncing Ball Animation" basically it behaves like flip animation (where you draw the different positions on the edge of each piece of paper and flip through the pages to animate). Have the kids make different drawings of the mouth and place each one in a Holder. Then open the Holder's viewer go to the collections category and you can iterate through the items in the Holder and set the Mouth graphic to the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" To get the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" tile you need to click on the
Sorry, I didn't finish the previous sentence (plus there is a simpler method, from the Mouth's viewer, in the graphics category is a scripting tile "mouth | looks like | dot" drag that onto the world to create script, the from the Holder's viewer category "collections" drag the "Holder's | player at cursor" tile on top of the "dot" in the "mouth | looks like | dot" scripting tile. The scripting tile will then look like "mouth | looks like | Holder's player at cursor". I have been playing with Etoys for a long time and this is the first time I noticed this method of setting a player's costume. Learn something new everyday ;)
Stephen Etoys Minutes and more info at http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/
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Thanks for the feedback.
The other reason we're using Java is so that we can automatically start a backup program whenever eToys is running (autorun is no longer supported on USB devices). If anyone has any ideas on how to accomplish this without the use of Java, that would be great.
Derek
On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:01, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
If there was a single way to launch an application that worked flawlessly on all platforms, we certainly would have used it for Etoys-To-Go. Unfortunately, there isn't - and Java is not a solution either, as you discovered, contrary to all marketing.
IMHO it's best to just tell the kids which icon to double-click on their machine. They'll do fine ;)
That said, it's great to hear you're teaching Etoys :)
- Bert -
On 05.04.2011, at 05:54, Derek Redfern wrote:
My apologies - I replied to this, but was not signed on to all the lists so I think my message got rejected.
It's part of a custom system we have set up for ease of use. We want people to be able to just execute a single file for any system, so we wrote a jar file to detect the OS and start the proper Etoys executable accordingly.
For clarification - I'm working with Caroline on the Somerville project.
Thanks!
Derek
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 23:45, Caryl Bigenho cbigenho@hotmail.com wrote: Hi...
I have tested Etoys to go, downloaded from the Squeakland site and found it works fine on PC (Windows) and Mac... even the older Power PC Macs. Nothing special installed. Just plug in the stick and open it. Projects totally transferrable between machines. It is a great resource.
Caryl
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:53:36 -0400 From: sthomas1@gosargon.com To: caroline@solutiongrove.com CC: redfern.derek@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; squeakland@squeakland.org; one2one2go---somerville-ma@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] First day of Etoys class in Somerville
Caroline,
You also mentioned that: Etoys on a stick only works when java is installed on the computer. Several of the computers did not have java and no one knows the admin password to install it.
This seems really strange, are you running Etoys inside a browser?
Stephen
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: Caroline,
Your students asked: Etoys questions include: How do we make a mouth that moves? When you first open Etoys click on the "Gallery of Projects" then in the second row, first item from the left is a "Bouncing Ball Animation" basically it behaves like flip animation (where you draw the different positions on the edge of each piece of paper and flip through the pages to animate). Have the kids make different drawings of the mouth and place each one in a Holder. Then open the Holder's viewer go to the collections category and you can iterate through the items in the Holder and set the Mouth graphic to the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" To get the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" tile you need to click on the
Sorry, I didn't finish the previous sentence (plus there is a simpler method, from the Mouth's viewer, in the graphics category is a scripting tile "mouth | looks like | dot" drag that onto the world to create script, the from the Holder's viewer category "collections" drag the "Holder's | player at cursor" tile on top of the "dot" in the "mouth | looks like | dot" scripting tile. The scripting tile will then look like "mouth | looks like | Holder's player at cursor". I have been playing with Etoys for a long time and this is the first time I noticed this method of setting a player's costume. Learn something new everyday ;)
Stephen Etoys Minutes and more info at http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/
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Well, the Right Thing according to the Squeak philosophy would of course be implementing your backup in Squeak. E.g., when Etoys was tested in schools a couple years ago, it was set up to store projects on a server with one directory per child.
OTOH the Right Thing is not always the Easiest or Simplest, so I can see why you would want to use an existing backup program. It's a trade-off :)
- Bert -
On 05.04.2011, at 15:42, Derek Redfern wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.
The other reason we're using Java is so that we can automatically start a backup program whenever eToys is running (autorun is no longer supported on USB devices). If anyone has any ideas on how to accomplish this without the use of Java, that would be great.
Derek
On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:01, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
If there was a single way to launch an application that worked flawlessly on all platforms, we certainly would have used it for Etoys-To-Go. Unfortunately, there isn't - and Java is not a solution either, as you discovered, contrary to all marketing.
IMHO it's best to just tell the kids which icon to double-click on their machine. They'll do fine ;)
That said, it's great to hear you're teaching Etoys :)
- Bert -
On 05.04.2011, at 05:54, Derek Redfern wrote:
My apologies - I replied to this, but was not signed on to all the lists so I think my message got rejected.
It's part of a custom system we have set up for ease of use. We want people to be able to just execute a single file for any system, so we wrote a jar file to detect the OS and start the proper Etoys executable accordingly.
For clarification - I'm working with Caroline on the Somerville project.
Thanks!
Derek
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 23:45, Caryl Bigenho cbigenho@hotmail.com wrote: Hi...
I have tested Etoys to go, downloaded from the Squeakland site and found it works fine on PC (Windows) and Mac... even the older Power PC Macs. Nothing special installed. Just plug in the stick and open it. Projects totally transferrable between machines. It is a great resource.
Caryl
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:53:36 -0400 From: sthomas1@gosargon.com To: caroline@solutiongrove.com CC: redfern.derek@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; squeakland@squeakland.org; one2one2go---somerville-ma@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] First day of Etoys class in Somerville
Caroline,
You also mentioned that: Etoys on a stick only works when java is installed on the computer. Several of the computers did not have java and no one knows the admin password to install it.
This seems really strange, are you running Etoys inside a browser?
Stephen
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Steve Thomas sthomas1@gosargon.com wrote: Caroline,
Your students asked: Etoys questions include: How do we make a mouth that moves? When you first open Etoys click on the "Gallery of Projects" then in the second row, first item from the left is a "Bouncing Ball Animation" basically it behaves like flip animation (where you draw the different positions on the edge of each piece of paper and flip through the pages to animate). Have the kids make different drawings of the mouth and place each one in a Holder. Then open the Holder's viewer go to the collections category and you can iterate through the items in the Holder and set the Mouth graphic to the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" To get the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" tile you need to click on the
Sorry, I didn't finish the previous sentence (plus there is a simpler method, from the Mouth's viewer, in the graphics category is a scripting tile "mouth | looks like | dot" drag that onto the world to create script, the from the Holder's viewer category "collections" drag the "Holder's | player at cursor" tile on top of the "dot" in the "mouth | looks like | dot" scripting tile. The scripting tile will then look like "mouth | looks like | Holder's player at cursor". I have been playing with Etoys for a long time and this is the first time I noticed this method of setting a player's costume. Learn something new everyday ;)
Stephen Etoys Minutes and more info at http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/
_______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Implementing a Squeak solution would certainly be ideal. For the moment, though, we need something that's quick and usable immediately - using Squeak would be a longer term goal. So I think Dropbox is our best choice right now except for the Java conundrum.
Thanks!
Derek
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:12, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
Well, the Right Thing according to the Squeak philosophy would of course be implementing your backup in Squeak. E.g., when Etoys was tested in schools a couple years ago, it was set up to store projects on a server with one directory per child.
OTOH the Right Thing is not always the Easiest or Simplest, so I can see why you would want to use an existing backup program. It's a trade-off :)
- Bert -
On 05.04.2011, at 15:42, Derek Redfern wrote:
Thanks for the feedback.
The other reason we're using Java is so that we can automatically start a backup program whenever eToys is running (autorun is no longer supported on UYou may recall from Episode IV that R2 was carrying some important files destined for delivery to Obi-Wan. These files were, of course, a distress message from Princess Leia and plans for the Empire's newly operational battle station. These plans played a critical part in the successful destruction of the Death Star. If you want to be a hero, just like R2, then we suggest you carry your files on this USB Memory Watch.
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Derek
On Apr 5, 2011, at 9:01, Bert Freudenberg bert@freudenbergs.de wrote:
If there was a single way to launch an application that worked flawlessly on all platforms, we certainly would have used it for Etoys-To-Go. Unfortunately, there isn't - and Java is not a solution either, as you discovered, contrary to all marketing.
IMHO it's best to just tell the kids which icon to double-click on their machine. They'll do fine ;)
That said, it's great to hear you're teaching Etoys :)
- Bert -
On 05.04.2011, at 05:54, Derek Redfern wrote:
My apologies - I replied to this, but was not signed on to all the lists so I think my message got rejected.
It's part of a custom system we have set up for ease of use. We want people to be able to just execute a single file for any system, so we wrote a jar file to detect the OS and start the proper Etoys executable accordingly.
For clarification - I'm working with Caroline on the Somerville project.
Thanks!
Derek
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 23:45, Caryl Bigenho < cbigenho@hotmail.com cbigenho@hotmail.com> wrote:
Hi...
I have tested Etoys to go, downloaded from the Squeakland site and found it works fine on PC (Windows) and Mac... even the older Power PC Macs. Nothing special installed. Just plug in the stick and open it. Projects totally transferrable between machines. It is a great resource.
Caryl
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:53:36 -0400 From: sthomas1@gosargon.comsthomas1@gosargon.com To: caroline@solutiongrove.comcaroline@solutiongrove.com CC: redfern.derek@gmail.comredfern.derek@gmail.com; iaep@lists.sugarlabs.orgiaep@lists.sugarlabs.org; squeakland@squeakland.orgsqueakland@squeakland.org; one2one2go---somerville-ma@googlegroups.com one2one2go---somerville-ma@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [IAEP] First day of Etoys class in Somerville
Caroline,
You also mentioned that:
Etoys on a stick only works when java is installed on the computer. Several of the computers did not have java and no one knows the admin password to install it.
This seems really strange, are you running Etoys inside a browser?
Stephen
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Steve Thomas < sthomas1@gosargon.com sthomas1@gosargon.com> wrote:
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Steve Thomas < sthomas1@gosargon.com sthomas1@gosargon.com> wrote:
Caroline,
Your students asked:
Etoys questions include:
- How do we make a mouth that moves?
When you first open Etoys click on the "Gallery of Projects" then in the second row, first item from the left is a "Bouncing Ball Animation" basically it behaves like flip animation (where you draw the different positions on the edge of each piece of paper and flip through the pages to animate). Have the kids make different drawings of the mouth and place each one in a Holder. Then open the Holder's viewer go to the collections category and you can iterate through the items in the Holder and set the Mouth graphic to the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" To get the "Holder's player at cursor graphic" tile you need to click on the
Sorry, I didn't finish the previous sentence (plus there is a simpler method, from the Mouth's viewer, in the graphics category is a scripting tile "mouth | looks like | dot" drag that onto the world to create script, the from the Holder's viewer category "collections" drag the "Holder's | player at cursor" tile on top of the "dot" in the "mouth | looks like | dot" scripting tile. The scripting tile will then look like "mouth | looks like | Holder's player at cursor". I have been playing with Etoys for a long time and this is the first time I noticed this method of setting a player's costume. Learn something new everyday ;)
Stephen Etoys Minutes and more info at http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/ http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/
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