squeakland August 2003

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RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
by Mankovsky, Sheine 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

When choosing a word with which to communicate, I look for one that can be understood with ease by the broadest number of readers/users. I am quite self-critical when I read something I've written and catch a jargon, or a pseudo-intellectual word. I also consider it important to be inclusive, whether by value or by prejudice. Sheine > -----Original Message----- > From: John Voiklis [SMTP:voiklis@redfigure.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:16 PM > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas > > > Why not call a Tweak object an "Idea"? This would be even more Greek, > > and more appropriate. > > I like it; I'll try a seven mile run and mull it over. In the end though > it isn't my call; still, whatever it is, I would love to help in > developing the theory and practice. > > > Could we call it Idealistic Programming? > > On the one hand, I like the half-kidding optimism, one the other such a > term has a progandistic tinge. Maybe one could start with the spirit of > Alan's term, Idea Processing, and come up with a clever yet self-evidently > appropriate turn of phrase. > > Again, it is not up to me, but I look forward to the intellectual work to > come. > > Best, > > J > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
by Mankovsky, Sheine 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

> -----Original Message----- > From: John Voiklis [SMTP:voiklis@redfigure.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 12:16 PM > To: squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas > > > Why not call a Tweak object an "Idea"? This would be even more Greek, > > and more appropriate. > > I like it; I'll try a seven mile run and mull it over. In the end though > it isn't my call; still, whatever it is, I would love to help in > developing the theory and practice. > > > Could we call it Idealistic Programming? > > On the one hand, I like the half-kidding optimism, one the other such a > term has a progandistic tinge. Maybe one could start with the spirit of > Alan's term, Idea Processing, and come up with a clever yet self-evidently > appropriate turn of phrase. > > Again, it is not up to me, but I look forward to the intellectual work to > come. > > Best, > > J > > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
by Darius Clarke 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

"Pragma" is not too bad. But I think external data streams to external non-Squeak systems should be called a "Dogma" (Greek: "law"). So when updating them by sending meassages is not automatic it is because the others systems are "dogmatic". :^) Cheers, Darius -----Original Message----- From: Mankovsky, Sheine [mailto:sheine.mankovsky2@tdsb.on.ca] Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 08:38 AM To: 'Alan Kay'; John Voiklis; squeakland(a)squeakland.org Subject: RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas I embarrass myself in public regularly. I thought you all had noticed. Sheine > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kay [SMTP:Alan.Kay@squeakland.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:36 AM > To: John Voiklis; squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas > > Why not call a Tweak object an "Idea"? This would be even more Greek, > and more appropriate. > > Cheers, > > Alan > > ----- > > At 1:36 PM -0400 8/18/03, John Voiklis wrote: > >This came to me during mile five (the idea mile) of a recent long jog; > so, > >take it with a grain of salt. > > > >Given that objects in Tweak will be neither Morphs nor traditional > objects, > >I wonder if Andreas would consider calling a Tweak object a "Pragma" (a > >thing, for the Greekless); that way the computer scientists, educators, > and > >epistemologists among us could develop a theory of "Pragmatic > Programming," > >while avoiding confusion with the various kinds of object-orientedness > found > >in Smalltalk and other languages. > > > >I have not fully thought this out yet, but the idea struck me as fertile > >enough to risk embarrassing myself by making it public. > > > >Best, > > > >John > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Squeakland mailing list > >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland(a)squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland *********************************************************************************** This transmission contains information which may be legally privileged, proprietary in nature, or otherwise protected by law from disclosure, and is intended only for the use of the addressee(s) named above. If you are not the addressee, or the person responsible for delivering this to the addressee(s), you are hereby notified that reading, copying, or distributing this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please telephone us immediately at 818-407-1400 and mail the transmission back to us at the above address. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. ***********************************************************************************

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RE: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
by Mankovsky, Sheine 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

I embarrass myself in public regularly. I thought you all had noticed. Sheine > -----Original Message----- > From: Alan Kay [SMTP:Alan.Kay@squeakland.org] > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 10:36 AM > To: John Voiklis; squeakland(a)squeakland.org > Subject: Re: [Squeakland] A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas > > Why not call a Tweak object an "Idea"? This would be even more Greek, > and more appropriate. > > Cheers, > > Alan > > ----- > > At 1:36 PM -0400 8/18/03, John Voiklis wrote: > >This came to me during mile five (the idea mile) of a recent long jog; > so, > >take it with a grain of salt. > > > >Given that objects in Tweak will be neither Morphs nor traditional > objects, > >I wonder if Andreas would consider calling a Tweak object a "Pragma" (a > >thing, for the Greekless); that way the computer scientists, educators, > and > >epistemologists among us could develop a theory of "Pragmatic > Programming," > >while avoiding confusion with the various kinds of object-orientedness > found > >in Smalltalk and other languages. > > > >I have not fully thought this out yet, but the idea struck me as fertile > >enough to risk embarrassing myself by making it public. > > > >Best, > > > >John > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Squeakland mailing list > >Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland(a)squeakland.org > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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A somewhat silly suggestion for Andreas
by John Voiklis 19 Aug '03

19 Aug '03

This came to me during mile five (the idea mile) of a recent long jog; so, take it with a grain of salt. Given that objects in Tweak will be neither Morphs nor traditional objects, I wonder if Andreas would consider calling a Tweak object a "Pragma" (a thing, for the Greekless); that way the computer scientists, educators, and epistemologists among us could develop a theory of "Pragmatic Programming," while avoiding confusion with the various kinds of object-orientedness found in Smalltalk and other languages. I have not fully thought this out yet, but the idea struck me as fertile enough to risk embarrassing myself by making it public. Best, John

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[Squeakland] It should have been Squeak...NYTimes.com Article: David Byrne's Alternate PowerPoint Universe
by John Voiklis 18 Aug '03

18 Aug '03

This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by voiklis(a)redfigure.org. Squeak (even Squeakland Squeak) could really have used this kind of promotion. Who among us has the cultural connections to make such a thing possible? Best, John /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Explore more of Starbucks at Starbucks.com. http://www.starbucks.com/default.asp?ci=1015 \----------------------------------------------------------/ David Byrne's Alternate PowerPoint Universe August 17, 2003 By VERONIQUE VIENNE POWERPOINT, the ubiquitous Microsoft business application, is not meant to be looked at too closely. People aren't supposed to notice its simplified graphics, ready-made templates, pie charts, arrows and icons; they're only supposed to notice the ideas that these features help organize. What's not hard to notice, however, is that in addition to organizing ideas, the software has a tendency to homogenize them, translating a Babel of voices into a single, droning voice of corporate culture. The experience of watching a PowerPoint presentation is meant to be the same in a San Francisco conference room as it is in a Chang Mai Internet cafe. And in either setting, PowerPoint's graphic identity might not literally be invisible, but like the buzzing fluorescent light that office workers eventually tune out, after a while you just don't see it. With his newest project, David Byrne has tried not only to see it anew, but also to use it in the least likely of all applications: a medium for creative expression. "Envisioning Emotional Epistemological Information" (Steidl and PaceMcGill Gallery, 2003) is a boxed set containing a 96-page book and a DVD featuring 20 minutes of animation. In both mediums, Mr. Byrne, who is best known as a musician but who was trained as an artist, subjects PowerPoint's characterless graphic templates to a radical metamorphosis. Arrows that curve out of their trajectory and into psychedelic rainbow-colored curlicues, surreal charts that satirize postmodern posturing, typographical compositions that present absurd abstractions with straight-faced conviction and deadpan photographs of the most humdrum of everyday objects all morph into one another with the steady pacing of a corporate sales conference. You can feel the medium resisting the invisible hand of the artist. Designed for easy digestion when projected on a screen, PowerPoint reveals its true identity when forced to perform without its well-rehearsed scripts. On the pages of the book, what you see is brute force, elemental verve, joyful savagery. Viewed on DVD, however, with the addition of music and movement, the same layouts become less threatening, less ruthless, even soothing at times. The juxtaposition of book and disc, then, produces a kind of cognitive dissonance: is the slip-cased volume just a deluxe package for a short art film, or is it the other way around? Is the book an antiquated cultural artifact? Or is the digitalized version just a trailer you can watch on your television? Also disconcerting is the project's unwieldy title. For insiders, it's a tongue-in-cheek reference to "Envisioning Information," Edward Tufte's celebrated book about the various ways that people through the ages have visually displayed quantitative data. But it's also a preview of the strange, decontextualized language that pervades the book and DVD, something between impenetrable academic discourse and self-important trade jargon, with a bit of official government study thrown in for good measure. Mr. Byrne uses it as a joke, perhaps, but also as a kind of meta-commentary on how language can alienate us from our emotions. One poignant photograph bears the legend "The Beginning of Identity," dry words that seem like the title of a graduate dissertation. Below that, two take-out soup containers are labeled, by hand, ME and YOU. The two containers sit side by side, separated by a few, seemingly unbridgeable inches. One of Mr. Tufte's more recent publications is a critical pamphlet titled "The Cognitive Style of PowerPoint." He is among the most eloquent critics of the technology, but over the 16 years in use, even some technicians have joined the chorus. "It's very reductionist," says Nancy Halpern, a PowerPoint specialist at the Strickland Group, an executive development firm in New York. "There is a crude linearity to the way the program works. Unlike a book or a Web site, you can't flip around the pages. It's more like a teleprompter." So what inspired Mr. Byrne to reroute a corporate tool into an avant-garde project? To take something designed to simplify meaning, and turn it into an elusive, playful cipher? To transform a project synonymous with bland corporatespeak into a challenging, entertaining surprise? It started as a parody. "I was doing mock sell presentations, using mock PowerPoint slides as visual aids," he says. "That's how I learned the program originally. But then it evolved into something else. It was no longer enough to make fun of the corporate stuff. I realized that PowerPoint was a limited but a valid medium." To view the medium creatively, he says, "You have to try to think like the guy in Redmond or Silicon Valley. You feel that your mind is suddenly molded by the thinking of some unknown programmer. It's a collaboration, but it's not reciprocal." Starting with parody, he adds, even incompetent imitations, is a legitimate first step. Eventually, if you persevere, the obsessive nature of the process yields unexpectedly beautiful results. For him, then, the challenge became "taking a form that's purportedly logic and rational and making it poetic." Yet one suspects that there is another agenda behind his attempt to subvert the global uniformity of PowerPoint. "Corporate culture," he says wistfully. "What if I could set it free?" "The End of Reason," a four-minute, continuous PowerPoint presentation with original music by David Byrne, will be on display at 4 Times Square from Sept. 10 through Sept. 17. Vernique Vienne is the author of several books about design. http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/17/arts/design/17VIEN.html?ex=1062153714&ei=1 &en=441ac6aad847c06f --------------------------------- Get Home Delivery of The New York Times Newspaper. Imagine reading The New York Times any time & anywhere you like! Leisurely catch up on events & expand your horizons. Enjoy now for 50% off Home Delivery! 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[BUG] [eToys] Embedded Morphs, Heading & Pen use
by diegogomezdeck＠consultar.com 17 Aug '03

17 Aug '03

Hi... See this project in http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp? http://www.squeakland.org/uploads/Spirograph%203.005.pr The green circle is embedded in the yellow rectangle, the yellow rectangle is embedded in the red one and the red is embedded in the blue one. The blue, red and yellow rectangles have a non-default center of rotation. The green circle has the pen down. Each time the blue rectangle get heading in 0 degrees and the others rectangles have non-zero headings, the pen trail get corrupted. With blue rotation speed in 10, red in -6 and yellow in 5 the error happens a lot of times. Just put this numbers in the sliders, press go and wait. TIA, Diego Gomez Deck http://www.small-land.org

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Funny Graphs!
by diegogomezdeck＠consultar.com 16 Aug '03

16 Aug '03

Hi, I'm playing with eToys... Just tell me if you're not interested in these projects. http://www.squeakland.org/project.jsp? http://www.squeakland.org/uploads/Graficos%20divertidos%21.002.pr Cheers, Diego Gomez Deck http://www.small-land.org

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Complex Systems with eToys
by diegogomezdeck＠consultar.com 16 Aug '03

16 Aug '03

Hi folks.... Yesterday I was playing a little bit with eToys when I remembered an experiment where I participated in the past about complex systems and emergence behavior using Squeak. In this moment I decided to try again the experiment using only eToys scripts. I started to work on it thinking that eToys is not powerful enough to do that and I finished publishing the results on Bob's Superswiki and it's named Stone, Paper or Scissor (http://209.143.91.36/super/627). You need an Small-Land Squeak (http://swiki.agro.uba.ar/small_land/58) to try it. (or a 3.5 with TrueTypeTextStyle package installed). eToys rocks! Cheers, Diego Gomez Deck http://www.small-land.org

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Music and Squeak
by Doug Wolfgram 16 Aug '03

16 Aug '03

I just got back from Tech Fest and was fortunate enough to spend some time with Tod Machover of MIT Media Lab. I was completely impressed with Toy Symphony's HyperScore program (www.toysymphony.net) and have been composing music with it ever since downloading it. Basically, it is an application that allows children to 'paint' music. One does not need to understand music notation or theory. It is all done visually and aurally. Then I though, this would be the PERFECT Squeak app. My daughter spent a bit of time with Tod's daughter (10 and 9 respectively) and it would be incredible if they could collaborate in composition efforts a la Squeak. Would anyone out there in Squeak-land be interested in talking to the students who wrote HyperScore and look at porting it to Squeak? Are there other music authoring applications that I am not aware of? D ------------------------------------ 'Marketing that Listens" ------------------------------------ Doug Wolfgram CEO - GRAFX Group, Inc. www.gfx.com www.aimprojects.com 949.433.3641

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