squeakland March 2004

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RE: [Squeakland] Why not an "intermediary " list ?
by Oca Emilio 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Hi Remi > Yes, the intermdiary level is "more technical" although not much "too > technical". I'm especially interested, as I said, in multimedia issues > (Wonderland, sounds and music, images...) and using squeak in the writing of > multimedia applications, i.e. games, encyclopedia, cultural products, etc. The general-purpose Squeak developers list is the ideal place for "more technical although not much" issues including the ones you enumerate. I am afraid that the idea of extra lists/forums was rejected on the Squeak-dev list for reasons very like the ones Kim gave you. > Great! if indeed we may discuss Squeak applications here on Squeakland, a > new mailing list may in fact be unnecessary (especially if Michael provides > forums on technical questions). I think indeed Squeakland "atmosphere" is > much more favorable for discussion between "newbies", or even > non-professional programmers . Don't get me wrong, I have always found > people on the developper list fine and helpful; but the level is obviously > very high, and I frequenly don't even dare to ask a question, even less > start a discussion, and I'm sure I'm not alone in this case! Well, I suggest you to dare. "newbies" questions are common in Squeak-dev list and appropriately answered. Squeakers of all levels populate the list and even newbies dare to answer sometimes :). I cannot change your sense of 'atmosphere' but, please, give Squeak-dev list a try. Regards. Emilio

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Who is this list mainly intended for?
by Shelagh Manton 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Hello, I just joined this list today and have been briefly scanning old maessages (or aleast those from last month). Is this list for children using squeak, or for those who hope to help those learning squeak? I am a home educating parent who stumbled across the concept of small talk in a throw out book from our local library. I was interested enough to search for it on google and came up with squeak eventually. My edest son has aspirations to learning C++. And I thought smalltalk sounded like a good place to get your head around the concept of Oops. We used to use MSWLogo, but while I liked it a lot, my son disdained it as being too uncool or maybe just not commercially relevant. Hear form you soon, Shelagh --

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[FIX] Project load from file
by Michael Rueger 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

Another small fix from the squeakland update stream. "Change Set: loadProjectFix Date: 9 March 2004 Author: Michael Rueger Fixes a problem with loading projects through the world menu."!

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[FIX] etoys rename variable
by Michael Rueger 10 Mar '04

10 Mar '04

A somewhat larger fix for problems regarding renaming of a variable in etoys. "Change Set: renameVariable-yo Date: 18 January 2004 Author: Yoshiki Ohshima Make the rename variable feature work. As long as the variable is not used in textually coded scripts, the cases like it is referenced in the other player's script, multiple occurence in more than one script, etc, are solved. Some fixes and refinements by Scott Wallace, 7 March 04: ¥ Fixed a subtle bug involving renaming a variable when a script of a different object bore a direct reference to that instance variable in a sibling object of the object in whose viewer the variable-rename is requested. ¥ Moved the logic for deciding whether a morph is a complex watcher to UpdatingStringMorph, which is the only morph to which it applies. ¥ Moved the idiosyncratic logic for isPlayer:ofReferencingTile: to PhraseTileMorph, the only place for which it makes sense. ¥ Wording tweaks. ¥ Method comment tweaks. Version 7 - sw 3/8/2004 - as per Yoshiki's suggestion, restored the warning about variable-names in textually-coded scripts not being automatically converted, for situations where at least one textually-coded script is known to exist. "!

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mailing list
by bonfiglio1 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

please delete bonfiglio1(a)sbcglobal.net from your mailing list thank you O.B.Bonfiglio

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RE: [Squeakland] Re: [Q] How can we make web proxies transparent fo r th e squeakplugin?
by Dreyfuss Pierre-Andre (EDU) 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

Hi, I have posted on squeakland server some times ago a project named 'Using a proxy' Which can help end users for defining a proxy or stopping it. Wishing it will be useful best regards. -----Message d'origine----- De: squeakland-bounces(a)squeakland.org A: Michael Rueger Cc: squeakland(a)squeakland.org; The general-purpose Squeak developers list Date: 03.03.04 05:21 Objet: [Squeakland] Re: [Q] How can we make web proxies transparent for th e squeakplugin? Actually I've altered the squeakland plugin so the latest version found at see http://homepage.mac.com/johnmci/ SqueakLand.3.7.2b1.dmg Should use the proxy information to do the browser related get/post calls. The plugin does not however use the browser netscape callbacks which are busted in safari to do this. Rather it relies on Apple's internet api which supports the proxy information set in the network control pane in the system preferences. People are welcome to confirm that post/gets via browser api in the browser plugin works as expected with proxies. On Mar 2, 2004, at 8:35 AM, Michael Rueger wrote: > Markus Gaelli wrote: > >> HTTPSocket stopUsingProxyServer >> I don't have to do something similar for Java / Flash plugins. >> Could we make that transparent also? > > I am on OS-X 10.2 > > This is (or was? John?) a problem on OS X, as due to a bug in Safari > we can't use the browser to access the web. > > What does this mean? > On platforms where this works, Squeak goes through the browser to > access the web thereby utilizing the browser's ability to deal with > proxies. > > On platforms where this does not work, we connect to the web directly > from within Squeak, but then we don't know what the browser knows. > > John McIntosh did a lot of bug fixing lately, so we need to check > again. > > Thank you for bringing this up! > > Michael > > > > -- ======================================================================== === John M. McIntosh <johnmci(a)smalltalkconsulting.com> 1-800-477-2659 Corporate Smalltalk Consulting Ltd. http://www.smalltalkconsulting.com ======================================================================== === _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland(a)squeakland.org http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland

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[Squeakland] [Q] How can we make web proxies transparent for the squeak plugin?
by Markus Gaelli 03 Mar '04

03 Mar '04

Hi, I am switching between university and home, at university we have a proxy server. So when I am there I open my plugin-image standalone, write the HTTPSocket useProxyServerNamed: 'bla.unibe.ch' port: 80 save the image. Then it works. Fine. When I am at home I have to do the same, but write instead HTTPSocket stopUsingProxyServer I don't have to do something similar for Java / Flash plugins. Could we make that transparent also? I am on OS-X 10.2 Markus

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drive-a-car newbie questions
by Randy Heiland 01 Mar '04

01 Mar '04

Hello, I'm going to swallow my pride and ask the list... I just finished the drive-a-car (Proj 2) in "Powerful Ideas..." and at the end, after I've built the script to have the car turn in circles, I see the "Challenge" sidebar with the various geometric shapes. But I have no idea how to make a simple square. I don't believe I've learned anything up to this point that tells me how to "stop after traveling distance X" (so I can change my heading). The geometric shapes would seem to involve conditionals. Please enlighten this "professional" programmer :) Related, is there a searchable archive for the Squeakland list? (I found the raw archive) Also, just some newbie feedback, the term "forward by N" seems a bit confusing. It really is "speed", isn't it? And if so, wouldn't every 1st-grader on understand the concept of speed? thanks, Randy

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