squeakland September 2010

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Re: [squeakland] loading a jpeg or gif file into the world
by Bert Freudenberg 25 Sep '10

25 Sep '10

Great. I hope this is mentioned in the Reference Manual somewhere? - Bert - On 25.09.2010, at 14:31, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > Bert, I works fine for me dragging from the Windows Explorer, thanks so much. > > Carlos > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bert Freudenberg" <bert(a)freudenbergs.de> > To: "Carlos Crosetti" <carlos.crosetti(a)mostar.com.ar> > Cc: <squeakland(a)squeakland.org> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [squeakland] loading a jpeg or gif file into the world > > > > On 25.09.2010, at 05:22, Carlos Crosetti wrote: > >> Hi, creating a sketch using the brush is fine for drawings... how can I load an image file and move, stretch, rotare as any other objects? > > Drag and drop from another application. E.g. on the Mac, drag it from the Finder. In Windows, from the Explorer. In Linux/Gnome, from Nautilus. Etc. > > In Sugar, drag and drop from the Journal works too (via the frame). But it is simpler to press the Etoys toolbar button to insert an object from the Journal directly. > > - Bert - > > >

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loading a jpeg or gif file into the world
by Carlos Crosetti 25 Sep '10

25 Sep '10

Hi, creating a sketch using the brush is fine for drawings... how can I load an image file and move, stretch, rotare as any other objects? Regards, Carlos

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addding and listing local projects
by Carlos Crosetti 25 Sep '10

25 Sep '10

Hi, I see that can see one or two projects but not able yet to add an empty new one, the list all local porjects in the image, how can I do that_ Regards, Carlos

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Pervasive sound reverb when Etoys plays audio clips
by Mike Lee 24 Sep '10

24 Sep '10

Hi, I've just finished a prototype of a Bemba letter board where I've imported and scripted AIFF sound clips to play under mouseDown for each letter. This is for the Gates Foundation funded Lubuto Library Zambian Language Literacy Programming Project, which is using Etoys exclusively: http://www.eifl.net:8080/gallery2/v/plip_001/Lubuto+eIFL_net+PLIP+Project/ Though my source audio is very crisp and clear, the audio plays back in Etoys with reverb on OLPC XO, Mac and Windows PC. Checking some other Etoys files with sounds, I notice that reverb is prevalent. I had just assumed before that there was some quirky reason those files were authored that way. Here is the second alpha of my project: http://squeakland.org/showcase/project.jsp?id=10270 And how I scripted each button: http://www.flickr.com/photos/curiouslee/4985274660/in/set-72157624752133309/ Can anyone tell me how to turn off the reverb? Curiously, when I loaded my file into Bert's experimental Etoys for iPad, the sounds played without reverb. Mike

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Hablemos claro y en voz alta - Let´s speak loud and clear
by Carlos Rabassa 24 Sep '10

24 Sep '10

ENGLISH TRANSLATION FOLLOWS THE SPANISH TEXT Hemos leído en los foros unos cuantos mensajes sobre unas elecciones relacionadas con Sugar. Como sucede frecuentemente, muchos hablamos, pocos entendemos y menos preguntamos. Alguien tiene que romper el círculo vicioso para bien de todos. Eso es lo que trato de hacer. No escribo entre líneas. No imaginen cosas raras. El que no entienda que pregunte y se abstenga de hablar hasta haber entendido. Mucho agradecería que alguien que sepa sobre las elecciones Sugar, nos explique a todos. SI escriben en el idioma que se conoce como Plain English, que en algunos países se exige en muchos documentos legales que involucran al público en general, que significa, Inglés sin palabras técnicas, Inglés comprensible por el público en general, y si escriben algo con largo razonable, con mucho gusto lo traduciré al Español internacional sencillo. Pienso que esto es lo que deseamos saber los que han expresado ideas en los foros y yo: 1 - Breve explicación sobre los orígenes y organización básica de la institución, que llamaré Sugar para simplificar, que está por tener elecciones. 2 - Condiciones requeridas para ser miembro de Sugar: 2.1 - ¿Hay que saber leer, hablar, escribir en Inglés? 2.2 - ¿Hay que tener conocimientos de informática, programación, ciencia de la computación o similar, con algún nivel mínimo? 2.3 - ¿Le interesa a Sugar tener como miembros a personas sin esos conocimientos pero con conocimientos en otras áreas? Me refiero muy específicamente a maestros activos en escuelas primarias o secundarias donde se hayan distribuido computadoras a los alumnos. 2.4 - ¿Hay algún requerimiento de nacionalidad o lugar de residencia? 2.5 - ¿Hay que tener acceso físico fácil a algún lugar del mundo o se aceptan miembros con acceso exclusivamente vía internet? 3 - ¿Qué puestos son los que se llenarán con las personas que se están por elegir? 3.1 - Descripción de esos puestos. ¿Qué harán los elegidos cuando estén cumpliendo sus funciones? 3.2 - Requerimientos en términos de educación, diplomas u otras calificaciones. 3.3 - Obligaciones en tiempo, en presencia física en reuniones, en presencia vía internet. 3.4 - ¿Hay alguna condición no esencial pero sí deseable para mejorar el futuro de Sugar? Pienso en condiciones tales como ser maestro activo en los lugares donde OLPC ha tenido mayor penetración? Pienso específicamente en Uruguay, Afghanistan, tal vez Argentina en un futuro no muy lejano, donde ya existen muchas XOs en manos de estudiantes. Imagino que hay urgencia en aprovecharlas al máximo. 3.5 - ¿Hay alguna compensación monetaria para esos puestos, sueldos, viáticos o con cualquier otro nombre? 4 - Requerimientos para participar en dichas elecciones. 5 - Procedimiento para participar como candidato. 6 - Procedimiento para participar votando. 7 - Cualquier pregunta que, los que saben, piensen que es importante y que a alguien de fuera como yo no se le ocurrió hacer. Muchísimas gracias!!!. Siento que estamos rodeados de muchísimo talento valioso pero que si no les extendemos una invitación, clara, sincera y en voz alta, nos privaremos y privaremos a los niños y adolescentes de los infinitos beneficios que Sugar puede ofrecer incorporando ese talento. ENGLISH TRANSLATION OF SPANISH TEXT ABOVE We have read a few messages in the forums about certain Sugar-related elections. As it frequently happens, many of us talk, a few understand and even fewer ask questions. Someone has to break this vicious circle for the benefit of all. This is what I am trying to do. I am not writing between lines. Do not have any strange ideas. If you don´t understand, please ask and abstain from talking until you understand. Would really appreciate it if anyone with knowledge about the Sugar forthcoming election could explain them to the rest of us. If you write in Plain English, the language form required in some countries for legal documents involving the public, this is English without technical words, using vocabulary at the level of the general public, and i f you stay within a reasonable length, I will be pleased to translate into simple international Spanish. I believe this is what those who have expressed ideas in the forums and me, wish to know: 1 - Brief explanation of the origins and organization of the entity that is about to have some election, hereinafter called Sugar for simplicity. 2 - Conditions required to be a member of Sugar: 2.1 - Knowledge of reading, speaking or writing in English; is it a requirement? 2.2 - Knowledge of computer systems, computer science, programming or similar, at any specific level; is it a requirement? 2.3 - Is Sugar interested in having as members individuals without that knowledge but with knowledge in other areas? I am referring very specifically to teachers active in elementary or secondary schools where computers have been distributed to students. 2.4 - Are there any requirements relating to nationality or place of residency? 2.5 - Is easy physical access to any specific place in the world a requirement, or may members stay in touch with Sugar exclusively via internet? 3 - Which are the positions to be filled with those elected in the forthcoming elections? 3.1 - Job Descriptions for those positions What are those elected going to do once they are installed in their positions? 3.2 - Requirements in terms of education, diplomas or other qualifications. 3.3 - Obligations in terms of time, physical presence at meetings, virtual presence via internet. 3.4 - Is there any condition, not required but desirable, to improve Sugar´s future. I am thinking of conditions, such as being active as a teacher in those places where OLPC has more penetration? I am thinking specifically of Uruguay, Afghanistan, maybe Argentina in the near future, where there are already many computers in the hands of students. I imagine there is an urgency in taking full advantage of these machines. 3.5 - Is there any monetary compensation associated with those positions, salary, expense account or with any other name? 4 - Requirements to participate in those elections. 5 - Procedure to participate as a candidate. 6 - Procedure to participate as a voter. 7 - Any other question that those who know the subject, consider important, which I have not listed here. Thanks!!! I have the feeling we are surrounded by plenty of valuable talent but, unless we extend a clear, sincere invitation in loud voice, we will deny ourselves and the children and youngsters the infinite benefits Sugar may offer after adding that talent to its organization. Carlos Rabassa Voluntario Red de Apoyo al Plan Ceibal Montevideo, Uruguay

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Smalltalks 2010 --- Registration and invitation
by Andres Valloud 24 Sep '10

24 Sep '10

======== INGLES The Fundación Argentina de Smalltalk (FAST) invites you to the 4th Smalltalk Conference of Argentina, to be held on November 11, 12 and 13, 2010 at the Concepción del Uruguay site of the Universidad Tecnológica Nacional. Everyone, including teachers, students, researchers, developers and entrepreneurs, are welcome as speakers or attendees. Registration is free and now open at http://www.fast.org.ar. The goal of the conference is to strengthen the Argentine and international Smalltalk community through the exchange of works, experiences and anecdotes connected with this technology or related matters. Renowned members of the international Smalltalk community will visit the conference. Moreover, this edition of the conference will have a Research Session with publications reviewed by an international committee, as well as an Industry Track for those preferring a more relaxed environment. We look forward to see your submissions. You can propose papers or talks know through our website, or by sending an email to info(a)fast.org.ar. See you there! ======== SPANISH La Fundación Argentina de Smalltalk (FAST) los invita a la 4ta Conferencia de Smalltalk de Argentina, a realizarse desde el 11 al 13 de Noviembre del 2010 en la sede de Concepción del Uruguay de la Universidad Tecnológica Nacional. Esperamos verlos a todos entre la audiencia o como oradores, ya sean profesores, estudiantes, investigadores, desarrolladores o empresarios. La registración es gratis y está disponible en http://www.fast.org.ar. El objetivo de la conferencia es afianzar los vínculos entre las comunidades Smalltalk de Argentina y del mundo, a través del intercambio de trabajos, experiencias y vivencias conectadas con esta tecnología. De hecho, este año nos visitarán personalidades de renombre de la comunidad internacional. Además, en esta edición de la conferencia tendremos un track de investigación formal con publicaciones y referato de un comité internacional. También tendremos un track de industria para aquellos que prefieran un ambiente más informal. Pueden enviarnos sus propuestas de charlas o papers mediante nuestra página web, o enviándonos un mail a info(a)fast.org.ar. Nos vemos en la conferencia!

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Report from a tester: Lots of things working very well!!
by Carlos Rabassa 23 Sep '10

23 Sep '10

I was asked through comments written by users in the Squeakland Showcase, to explain how the project HowManyPizzas was made and to show a flow diagram with the basic idea for that project. As a consequence I wrote this long explanation, https://docs.google.com/View?id=dg7q79cx_823cd4vc6fw It is in Spanish, the comments came from Chile and from Ecuador; I believe. May I suggest you take a look at the end of the page to see a Screen Shot of the only page of this project, how readable the small print is!! I published this Flow Diagram project in the Showcase as a new project, HowManyPizzasFLOW. Please switch the language between English and Spanish. Please read the red text to see all the things I used and tested positively! Congratulations to all those responsible for Etoys, Quick Guides and ManualSept13. I used them all. They all helped. BTW no problem using either RC2 or 4.1. Used both. Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay

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ManualSep13
by Carlos Rabassa 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

On page 16, under 3.4 Painting it says "Everything you draw on one page will be on object." Feel is not clear. Suggestion: When saving your work, only one object will be saved, including everything currently on the screen. Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay

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Re: [squeakland] [Sur] [IAEP] How do I nominate Luke Faraone to run for Sugar Labs Oversight Board?
by Carlos Rabassa 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

Hi! I usually have nothing to contribute on technical subjects, about Sugar. I realize it is a very important field but, I am trying to work somewhere else, specifically learning Etoys. I have had, however, some experience in meetings and reading messages in forums. My conclusion is that we do have a problem and a very serious one, but hopefully easy to correct: - We do not hear enough from teachers!!!! - Teachers are the link between all of us and the children, relatives, volunteers and all other teachers we all say we want to serve. This is why I am quoting a message I just read in some of the spanish language forums, it is in both English and Spanish: The red larger type was changed by me to highlight what I think is the most important part of the text. ============== > whoa! that's a good idea indeed! how nice would it be? A place to be really heard, for thousands of teachers... to lead from the ground and not from the ivory tower(perceived or real)... To cut the middle men.... FOSS Culture at it best! if only english wouldn't be a precondition. > greets from uruguay, > Luis > > En español(más o menos): > Sería realmente bueno tener un maestro que esté en una implementación de azúcar a tiempo completo en el comité de supervisión o en un rol que asegure que el comité de supervisión está escuchando a los maestros en las implementaciones. > Mi Dios, tiene sentido ésto? > Alguien en el llano, no técnico, para proveer una perspectiva balanceada? > Pa! Que buena idea! Qué tan bueno podría ser eso? Un lugar para ser escuchados realmente, para miles de docentes... guiar desde el llano y no desde una torre de marfil(percibida o real)... sacar los intermediarios... lo mejor de la cultura libre! Si no fuera que el inglés es precondición... > Saludos desde Uruguay, > Luis ============ I hope you have all seen and understood the original message. It seems to me they are talking about electing a teacher to a position in some Sugar Oversight Board. It sounds like we do have teachers willing to participate who are locked out because of the language. Is this correct? If so, how can we find a solution?? I see only three logical solutions but none of them is easy. We all learn English. We all learn Spanish. We get many translators or try to domesticate some automatic translators. Translating is not fun, except for the very important fact that if we try to take it seriously we learn a lot about the subject matter, Etoys in my case. This morning I was glad to hear Mariana Herrera, a teacher from Uruguay, found three volunteers to translate some Etoys material. I wonder if being translators and either teachers or closely associated to teachers, her message didn't clarify that point, in Uruguay, the country with the most XO computers at this time, they might be able to come up with some solution. If we want to make any progress, we do have to resolve this huge but basic problem of a common language to communicate among ourselves. Carlos Rabassa Volunteer Plan Ceibal Support Network Montevideo, Uruguay PS: Please note the original message had been sent to several lists to which I do not have access. Maybe some readers would like to transmit our message to the members of those lists. Thanks. On Sep 22, 2010, at 9:13 AM, luis Michelena wrote: > answer and translation beneath > respuesta y traducción al Español abajo > > El 16/09/2010 21:40, Tabitha Roder escribió: >> >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Oversight_Board/2010-2011-candidates >> >> It would be really good to see a teacher who is in a Sugar deployment full time on the oversight board or in a role that ensures the oversight board is hearing from teachers in deployments. >> omg does that make sense? >> someone on the ground who is not technical to provide a balanced perspective? >> Tabitha >> >> _______________________________________________ >> IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) >> IAEP(a)lists.sugarlabs.org >> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep > whoa! that's a good idea indeed! how nice would it be? A place to be really heard, for thousands of teachers... to lead from the ground and not from the ivory tower(perceived or real)... To cut the middle men.... FOSS Culture at it best! if only english wouldn't be a precondition. > greets from uruguay, > Luis > > En español(más o menos): > Sería realmente bueno tener un maestro que esté en una implementación de azúcar a tiempo completo en el comité de supervisión o en un rol que asegure que el comité de supervisión está escuchando a los maestros en las implementaciones. > Mi Dios, tiene sentido ésto? > Alguien en el llano, no técnico, para proveer una perspectiva balanceada? > Pa! Que buena idea! Qué tan bueno podría ser eso? Un lugar para ser escuchados realmente, para miles de docentes... guiar desde el llano y no desde una torre de marfil(percibida o real)... sacar los intermediarios... lo mejor de la cultura libre! Si no fuera que el inglés es precondición... > Saludos desde Uruguay, > Luis > _______________________________________________ > Lista olpc-Sur > olpc-Sur(a)lists.laptop.org > http://lists.laptop.org/listinfo/olpc-sur

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Painting and Make-up
by K. K. Subramaniam 22 Sep '10

22 Sep '10

Hi, While translating Etoys into a vernacular, I came across a problem that I wanted to share and discuss with others in this list. In the vernacular there are various words for "painting" depending on the canvas, supplies and process. I opted for the word "apply make-up". For most people, the phrase "rich multimedia authoring" means Animation software. The colorful and attractive paint tool adds to the confusion ;-). Objects are abstract so what a Sketch Editor does is to help us apply make-up to it to give it a visual form that are easier to manipulate and compose into complex assemblies. Maths teachers use the same technique for showing points, lines and planes. They don't call their drawings as "paintings". While it is possible to generate beautiful "paintings" in Etoys, the real stuff is not in the make-up but beneath the skin ;-). Real "idea processing" happens in composition of objects and their interaction through scripts. Has anyone attempted to explain Object/Morph/Player as "Idea" instead of a "Thing" in their vernacular? What were your experiences? Subbu

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