Hi Remi -
I don't see why this list can't support/participate in the kind of "conversation"/exploration you suggest. I believe many Etoy users are also quite interested in extending capabilities and usage within Squeak -- into things like "Active Essays" and other forms of media that Squeak can support.
My main reason for pointing out that the "squeak.org" site is for a more technical audience is just as you point out -- there's a lot more "traffic" on that list and I would believe 90% of the content there is not of interest or relevant to this readership. However, I do think that threads re creating new Squeak-based "apps" would be of great interest. So, please, folks, let's explore these things.
Personally, I'd rather have "one list" for a variety of threads instead of a number of fora that I'll need to continually check/monitor, etc., but that's just my preference.
thanks, Remi! Kim
Welcome! I saw Tim Andrews already sent you a wonderful response, but I wanted to add my "welcome" and let you know that many home-educating parents are also "listening" and participating here. You're in the right place. And, yes, the list can also be a resource for kids using Squeak, too!
The majority of participants in this list are "less-than-hacker-level" programmers and many are novices, so we are (mostly) using the "Etoy" part of Squeak -- the "tile based" interface allowing kids and adults an "entry" into the ideas of object oriented programming and more to their interest, generally, project making, model making, and simulation building. Having some knowledge with Smalltalk is wonderful, however, but not necessary.
Hello Kim,
May I take this thread opportunity to ask a question about what I feel to be a lack in the Squeak community? Why is there not an intermediary list for "less than hacker level" programmers who want, to go beyond the Etoy system and use all the potentialities of squeak? I know of course that the "main list" is open to newbies questions, but I'm afraid it is not really practical. The volume on the main list is huge (more than 150 mails on a week-end, sometimes!),and 90%of the posts don't deal with topics suitable for newbies (in fact, to tell the truth, there are many times when I don't even understand what is the topic!). On the other end, squeakland is fine, but, AFAIK, is almost interested in Etoys and educational issues. I think there is definitively a place for an other list, dealing with squeak as a way to create applications, as an "idea processor" as Alan Kay names it, in order to interest people, who, like me, are not even professional programmers but want to use squeak as a way to express their ideas (I think of course especially about multimedia issues, such as Wonderland), but find frequently difficult the lack of documentation for their level (Yes, I have the books, and I can say many questions remain unanswered!). Such a list would generate automatically, through its archives, a precious documentation..
Of course, nothing forbids somebody (including me) to create such a list independantly at yahoogroups. But I suppose it would be better if it was, more or less, an "official" list...What do you think?
Bye! RĂ©mi
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